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The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Look into the Chinese identification systems associated with internet access to see where this leads. It isn't good.

We don’t have to do it the same way the Chinese do. We can implement it in a bad way or in a good way.

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I’m very liberal and very much opposed to authoritarianism. I don’t see the problem with forcing online content to be different than offline content. You gotta show ID or otherwise prove age to buy alcohol and pornography offline. Why not for online as well?

If you really want to buy pornography on the internet as a minor, you will have difficulties doing the transactions. Aside from that you haven't thought about the implications of an ID system in the current political climate. Some advocates even state their real goals openly. I don't think you are very liberal here for that matter. It is just a single issue, but it strongly correlates with positions around this parti…

It's easy to view pornography online regardless of age. That's what we are talking about.

Here are my leftist views: No one should have more than $10 million of wealth. Everyone should have a place to live, food, and healthcare. Healthcare should be free at the point of usage. The U.S. should stop funding Israel. Higher education should be free. Churches should pay tax on the property they own. Donations to charity should not be tax deductible. Public transportation should be heavily subsidized and greatly expanded. The DOD and CIA and NSA should be greatly reduced in size and scope. Elections should be publicly funded so that each candidate gets an equal amount of funding. Abortion should be legalized everywhere. Homeschooling should be outlawed.

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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I don’t think this is a compelling argument for keeping things as they currently stand.

Could you elaborate further on the problem you see? I don't see a problem with "things as they currently stand".

As they currently stand anyone, regardless of age, can easily access pornographic content online.

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Could you elaborate further on the problem you see? I don't see a problem with "things as they currently stand".

As they currently stand anyone, regardless of age, can easily access pornographic content online.

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It is the parents responsibility to raise their children. It's not my responsibility to have to show ID(I'm a grown adult, there is no mistaking me for someone 18 and below.. though I don't think there is any such laws in any country I would want to live in. this seems to be a fairly US centric world view). "Think of the children"? That's the argument here?

Do you think a business should be able to sell alcohol to a 10 year child? It’s not the business’ responsibility to raise a person’s kid, afterall.

There is a big difference between storing someones credentials in a porn identification database vs showing your ID to some clerk. These things are not identical.

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Do you think a business should be able to sell alcohol to a 10 year child? It’s not the business’ responsibility to raise a person’s kid, afterall.

There is a big difference between storing someones credentials in a porn identification database vs showing your ID to some clerk. These things are not identical.

Of course they aren't identical. The point is that prior to the internet everyone thought it reasonable to prevent kids from accessing pornography. Now it is widely available to them online. Some people think this is not right. There are no perfect solutions.

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Real policy is about real outcomes; this idea, while interesting to talk about, fails on outcomes.

Hasn’t been implemented so how do you know the outcomes won’t be there? Real policy as you call often times fails to have intended outcome or has lots of unintended consequences.

> Hasn’t been implemented so how do you know the outcomes won’t be there?

That's not a serious policy analysis, or even much of a debate exercise.

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You could say the same about progressive taxes. Without them, the most efficient do the work. With them, less efficient people below taxable income threshold will do more work.

That's the first valuable, novel insight I've heard about taxation in a long time. While I support progressive taxes for other reasons (fairness), I'd be interested in the economic impact. (The research would have to use overall tax rate, not just 'income' tax (i.e., wage tax).)

There was a time before income tax… and there maybe a future without income tax. Or you can think of income tax as profit sharing with everyone’s required partner big brother. Remember corporate tax and payroll taxes are flat. the progressive part of income tax is really more targeted at consumption. so it’s really more of a progressive consumption tax. It’s easy to arrange a delay in taxes if you don’t need to consume, and are willing to run a business.

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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That's the first valuable, novel insight I've heard about taxation in a long time. While I support progressive taxes for other reasons (fairness), I'd be interested in the economic impact. (The research would have to use overall tax rate, not just 'income' tax (i.e., wage tax).)

There was a time before income tax… and there maybe a future without income tax. Or you can think of income tax as profit sharing with everyone’s required partner big brother. Remember corporate tax and payroll taxes are flat. the progressive part of income tax is really more targeted at consumption. so it’s really more of a progressive consumption tax. It’s easy to arrange a delay in taxes if you don’t need to consu…

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