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Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

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Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

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Adapting PDFs for devices won't save us. HTML, being designed around reflow, had the ultimate solution from day one - and yet we've managed to screw that up so badly it spawned a whole industry sub-specialty of "responsive design". When authors start producing multiple PDF versions for different devices and print, how long until someone gets tired of "extra work" and comes up with "responsive PDFs"? (Also I feel that…

Like you mention, HTML already exists for adaptive text reflow. I assume that people making PDFs want their layouts fixed. But maybe an A5 format would make more sense, even if you're printing it? Also: What did people screw up with HTML in your opinion?

> Also: What did people screw up with HTML in your opinion?

The problem with PDFs is that you need to create multiple layouts to make them look good in print and on a variety of commonly used screen sizes; all those layouts is extra work. HTML, by its very nature, doesn't have this problem, and yet somehow today we still have to design multiple layouts to support print and common screen sizes. And in practice, we usually don't - instead, we design one layout optimized for mobile phones, and ignore how bad lit looks on desktop or in print. "Responsive web design" turned into forcing HTML to behave like a PDF, except using "iPhone" instead of "A4" as the size.

Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

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The fact that it's a book about typography may mean the requirements are a little different, because I personally (and likely many others) don't really pay attention to such things.

You might be paying more attention than you think.

When I wrote my PhD thesis, I made some effort to follow good typography practices (I thought that since I had devoted so many hours to the work, it would make sense to devote some time to make it look as good as possible... and I guess it was also a way of procrastinating from writing content) :)

Various people who "don't pay attention" told me that it caught their attention for being really nice visually, even if they couldn't pinpoint the concrete differences that led to that.

Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

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For me, it's the opposite. Whenever i have the choice, i want EPUB, not PDF. The problem with PDFs is that you don't have a device that is the same size as the original page size in most cases.

One question: Why do people make PDFs in A4 format? Wouldn't it make better sense to start making them in A5 or A6, so that they could be better read on e-readers, phones, and on part of a computer screen (which is landscape oriented)?

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Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

#84

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One question: Why do people make PDFs in A4 format? Wouldn't it make better sense to start making them in A5 or A6, so that they could be better read on e-readers, phones, and on part of a computer screen (which is landscape oriented)?

Surely the only difference between an A4 PDF and an A6 one would be text size?

Text size decides everything: paragraph size, heading breaks, figure placement, etc.

Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, it's the opposite. Whenever i have the choice, i want EPUB, not PDF. The problem with PDFs is that you don't have a device that is the same size as the original page size in most cases.

One question: Why do people make PDFs in A4 format? Wouldn't it make better sense to start making them in A5 or A6, so that they could be better read on e-readers, phones, and on part of a computer screen (which is landscape oriented)?

What's even worse is the PDFs in Letter format.

Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One question: Why do people make PDFs in A4 format? Wouldn't it make better sense to start making them in A5 or A6, so that they could be better read on e-readers, phones, and on part of a computer screen (which is landscape oriented)?

Adapting PDFs for devices won't save us. HTML, being designed around reflow, had the ultimate solution from day one - and yet we've managed to screw that up so badly it spawned a whole industry sub-specialty of "responsive design". When authors start producing multiple PDF versions for different devices and print, how long until someone gets tired of "extra work" and comes up with "responsive PDFs"? (Also I feel that…

> how long until someone gets tired of "extra work" and comes up with "responsive PDFs"?

I hate to break it to you but, https://blog.developer.adobe.com/adobe-sensei-makes-responsi...

Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

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Not to mention the ugly/unusable rendering of mathematical formulate in ebooks on my Kindle, which is gatherig dust. Layouting is an art and a craft, and the fact that it's automated by people who lack the specialized knowledge, or for whom it is not a priority (quarter century old bug reports, really?) suggests that in 2025, you should still avoid ebooks if you care about quality and aesthetics. This is a shame beca…

Have you tired KOreader[0]? It supports multiple ebook formats, including epub and cbz. You'll need to jailbreak[1] your Kindle though. [0] http://koreader.rocks/ [1] https://github.com/notmarek/LanguageBreak

For anyone who might want to jailbreak their Kindle in the future, you'll want to enable airplane mode otherwise it will automatically update its firmware (patching the jailbreak) and there's no way to disable that.

It'll keep updating itself as long as it's powered on, even if you haven't used it in months and there's no telling how long it'll take for current firmware versions to be supported, latest jailbroken version is 17 months old.

https://kindlemodding.gitbook.io/kindlemodding/getting-start...

Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

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Another frustrating thing with ebooks is that you can't get them in PDF format any more. So much time is spent making a nicely fomatted hardcopy edition, then the ebook is only available as a terribly auto-converted epub that throws away all the layout and style. Particularly cookbooks, as well as anything technical, I just can't stand how lazy, ugly, and difficult to read the epubs are. All the tooling already exist…

I agree, I absolutely hate reading basically everything other than novels/non-fiction narratives in epub. All the work they did laying out the pages is just thrown away! Trying to read any sort of instructional book as an epub is straight up infuriating.

I work for a children's reading platform, and the book publishers universally send us PDFs of everything. We have a bespoke system to convert the PDFs into SVG for higher flexibility and added interactivity.

Literal Kids board books are getting a better treatment!

Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

#89
post #55

Another frustrating thing with ebooks is that you can't get them in PDF format any more. So much time is spent making a nicely fomatted hardcopy edition, then the ebook is only available as a terribly auto-converted epub that throws away all the layout and style. Particularly cookbooks, as well as anything technical, I just can't stand how lazy, ugly, and difficult to read the epubs are. All the tooling already exist…

Part of this is that books and screens are not interchangeable pieces of technology. Books are still supreme when it comes to reference material and lookup speed but each page needs static typesetting. Screens are more fragile, expensive, generally smaller, with lower contrast and/or resolution, but they allow a fully flexible display with variable font sizes, the ability to scroll half way between pages etc. A PDF on a screen is all of the downsides of books with none of the upsides of screens.

Re: Pagination widows, or, why I'm embarrassed about my eBook (2023)

#90
post #20

Not to mention the ugly/unusable rendering of mathematical formulate in ebooks on my Kindle, which is gatherig dust. Layouting is an art and a craft, and the fact that it's automated by people who lack the specialized knowledge, or for whom it is not a priority (quarter century old bug reports, really?) suggests that in 2025, you should still avoid ebooks if you care about quality and aesthetics. This is a shame beca…

If this is is still a problem thirty years after the invention of the web, then I say: So much the worse for mathematical notation. In the future, mathematical ideas will be expressed in other ways.
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