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Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by wojciii »

selivanovp wrote: post #64
9dev wrote: post #58

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Specifically speaking, however, we are talking about Russia illegally invading and occupying Ukraine, a sovereign state both Russia and the USA have explicitly declared to keep its territorial integrity intact in exchange for its nuclear weapons. We are talking about this because the president-elect of the USA has curiously exclaimed to be able to ”end the war“ in a single day, and the only way that is possible is by…

Russia is not imperialistic, Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war sta…

> Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO.

This is a lie.

Russia is trying to eradicate the Ukrainian culture. It failed with corruption and tried with military muscle during the invasion. This also failed.

So now they try to freeze people to death, kill civilians and do human wave attacks to gain territories.

People living in the occupied territories are killed for showing any Ukrainian culture. Torture is common. This is the russian Mir.

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Post by 9dev »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #75
9dev wrote: post #69

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Most of what you’ve written is just plain wrong, but I’m not responsible for clearing up the propaganda. Let me just say this: No political fear of any foreign influence on a bordering country ever justifies invading this country, killing its citizens, and destroying its infrastructure. No matter how you try to frame it, Russia committed crimes in Ukraine, which it is completely responsible for. You may try to blame…

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No, no, I’m with you on that issue. But it doesn’t do anything for Ukrainian people to talk about the Iraq war now.

Let’s leave it at that, I don’t think we’re going to get together.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by [deleted] »

protomolecule wrote: post #56
aix1 wrote: post #54

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I assume when you say "politically" you include the ongoing war in Ukraine. I think it's a huge factor in this context, given its impact and the risks it presents to folks (especially young men) who choose to remain in Russia. By some estimates, 900K people have left Russia since the invasion [1], of whom 100K were IT specialists leaving in 2022 alone [2] (I haven't looked at the figures since then). I think that's a…

In Russia programmers working at accredited IT-companies are safe from mobilization [0] > I think that's a pretty strong indication of the sentiment. Some left following their western employers, some fled from the mobilization in 2022. >And wrt the economy, didn't the Central Bank just increase the benchmark rate to 21% It did, that's why I said 'mostly'. Kremlin is pumping money into defense industry and into paymen…

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Post by pk-protect-ai »

rob74 wrote: post #28
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #11

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How do you change the political environment in a dictatorship where ruling class has all the power and majority of the money and controls what you should read, watch or talk about?

Well, the Russians already tried it once, more than 100 years ago, with limited success unfortunately...

To repeat this, there has to be a condition: "the oppressed can't bear it anymore." Economically, they are totally fine. They are just cattle who are fed and expected to behave as the owner requires. Ninety percent of Russians who didn't leave the country after 2021 have no incentive to be in any struggle; they are fed, they have work, they have a roof. The conditions that helped in 1917 were related to an economic disaster that the majority of the population experienced, and this was influenced by the 1st WW as well (which took a huge financial toll on the elites as well).

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Post by _djo_ »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #73
oytis wrote: post #67

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That's the immediate result. But what about later, when the war is over? Military expense is non-productive, economically it's the same as just giving people money for free while they are sitting on the couch (nobody is killed in the latter case though). Military overspending literally killed Soviet Union, and people returning from Afghanistan war made guaranteed the unforgettable social climate after that. I don't s…

To give a bit more context to protomolecule's replies: back in 2022 every analyst was predicting total collapse of the Russian economy within a year or thereabouts. This didn't happen. So, we now tend not to believe the doomsayers at all. (And I'm not saying we're right! Just trying to explain the biases in play right now.)

Which analysts were those?

The ones I was reading emphasised the need for a strong sanctions regime with penalties for third party workarounds, with the reasoning given that Russia had prepared its economy for war and already isolated it to some extent.

Maybe your typical cable TV talking head pundit might’ve been confident about Russia’s economy collapsing, but the actual professional analysts and civil servants who advise governments were much more cautious.

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Post by jojobas »

cyberax wrote: post #55
jojobas wrote: post #37

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And by "reformed", you mean "burnt to the ground, for real this time".

Burning systems to the ground does not work. The end result is almost always worse than before. Russia actually has a rather functional bureaucracy that is holding the country together. All it really needs is decentralization of power, probably similar to the German's model.

This functional bureaucracy is 100% compromised by the parallel power structure, "Putin's Vertical".

Pretty much everyone employed by the state, from school teachers who en masse rig elections to the judges who do FSB's/president office bidding, have to be assumed irredeemable.

Russia didn't to the "lustrations" that Poland, Czechia, East Germany and some other countries did, and the Hydra survived.

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Post by immibis »

Kwpolska wrote: post #65
hnisoss wrote: post #60

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related https://sive.rs/anon

> If you defiantly refuse to say who you are, it can make people angry that you’re upsetting social reciprocity. You know who they are, but they don’t know who you are. It feels rude. An obsessive personality might make it their damn mission to figure out who you are! To be frank, fuck them. I’m not inventing an entire persona and stuff just to make some weirdos happy.

If you were running an online criminal empire like this guy, you might want to

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by immibis »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #75
9dev wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of what you’ve written is just plain wrong, but I’m not responsible for clearing up the propaganda. Let me just say this: No political fear of any foreign influence on a bordering country ever justifies invading this country, killing its citizens, and destroying its infrastructure. No matter how you try to frame it, Russia committed crimes in Ukraine, which it is completely responsible for. You may try to blame…

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I see the light now: because one evil country did evil stuff that means it's okay and not evil when my favourite country does it.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by 082349872349872 »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #84
rob74 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the Russians already tried it once, more than 100 years ago, with limited success unfortunately...

To repeat this, there has to be a condition: "the oppressed can't bear it anymore." Economically, they are totally fine. They are just cattle who are fed and expected to behave as the owner requires. Ninety percent of Russians who didn't leave the country after 2021 have no incentive to be in any struggle; they are fed, they have work, they have a roof. The conditions that helped in 1917 were related to an economic d…

The ca. 1924 Thermidorian limitations of the 1917 success were explained by Trotsky, whose subsequent literary career was thereupon cancelled, via an ice axe to the head.

(I don't know to what degree Eric Blair worried about a similar fate, but we do see that after Animal Farm he moves to a remote island in Scotland, where presumably strangers would draw much greater attention to themselves than in London — and before returning to London for hospital marries a much younger spook*)

* compare a line from Trotsky: "Rakovsky cites a curious remark of Babeuf to the effect that the degeneration of the new ruling stratum was helped along not a little by the former young ladies of the aristocracy toward whom the Jacobins were very friendly. ... A census of the wives of the ruling stratum in the Soviet Union would show a similar picture."

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.74858/page/n11...

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by lopcode »

I recall fernflower being an important part of the Minecraft decompilation process, a necessary part of creating the Minecraft Forge modding framework, which was hugely popular a while back. Another thing to be grateful of his (indirect) contributions towards.
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