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So what is the role of the Mac Studio now?

It only has:

- faster memory and up to 192 GB.

- 1 ekstra Thunderbolt port.

That is not much for such a large price difference:

Mac Mini (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $2500

Mac Studio (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $5000

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am still astounded the huge change moving from an Intel Mac to an Apple Silicon Mac (M1) has had in terms of battery performance and heat. I don't think i've heard the fans a single time I've had this machine and it's been several years. Nor have I had any desire to upgrade.

> Nor have I had any desire to upgrade I never thought I'd see a processor that was 50% faster single-core and 80% faster multi-core and just shrug. My M1 Pro still feels so magically fast. I'm really happy that Apple keeps pushing things and I'll be grateful when I do decide to upgrade, but my M1 Pro has just been such a magical machine. Every other laptop I've ever bought (Mac or PC) has run its fan regularly. I di…

My best Apple purchases in 20 years of being their customer: The Macbook M1 Pro 16 inch and the Pro Display XDR. When Steve Jobs died I really thought Apple was done, but their most flawless products (imho) came much later.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

#83

All I want is a top of the line MBP, with all it’s performance and insane battery life, but running a Linux distro of my choice :(

Agreed, but probably getting a Lenovo Legion will be your best bet in the near term.

I'm driving a 2022 XPS. Lots of people will (and should) disagree, but I've completely shifted over from Thinkpads to Dell XPS (or Precision) for my laptops.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

#84

So what is the role of the Mac Studio now? It only has: - faster memory and up to 192 GB. - 1 ekstra Thunderbolt port. That is not much for such a large price difference: Mac Mini (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $2500 Mac Studio (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $5000

The GPU difference might be material.

But it is obviously a bad time to invest in a Mac Studio.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

#85

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Both of those chips cost more than an mac mini. 170W !!!!! The mac is, what, 20W?

Also it's comparing the lowest end M4 out of an iPad with the highest end Intel and AMD CPUs. It's a ludicrous comparison.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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I have been out of the PC world for a long time, but in terms of performance efficiency, is Apple running away from the competition? Or are AMD and Intel producing similar performing chips at the same wattage?

AMD's latest Strix Point mobile chips are on par with M3 silicon: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z8WKR0VHfJw

I was looking into this recently as my M1 Max screen suddenly died out of the blue within warranty and Apple are complete crooks wrt honouring warranties.

The AMD mobile chips are right there with M3 for battery life and have excellent performance only I couldn't find a complete system which shipped with the same size battery as the MBP16. They're either half or 66% of the capacity.

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How many people does this actually affect? Gamers are better off with AMD X3D chips, and most productivity workloads need good multicore performance. Obviously MR is great silicon and I don't want to downplay that, but I'm not sure that best singlecore performance is an overly useful metric for the people who need performance.

> Gamers are better off with AMD X3D chips

Yeah but then you'd have to use Windows. I'd rather just play whatever games can be emulated and take the performance penalty.

It helps that most AAAs put me to sleep...

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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How many people does this actually affect? Gamers are better off with AMD X3D chips, and most productivity workloads need good multicore performance. Obviously MR is great silicon and I don't want to downplay that, but I'm not sure that best singlecore performance is an overly useful metric for the people who need performance.

People who browse the web and want that fastest javascript performance they can get.

But for a javascript (browser or electron) workload the new 16 Gb as the starting ram still isn't enough :)

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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I'll admit to some reflexive skepticism here. I know GeekBench at least used to be considered an entirely unserious indicator of performance and any discussion relating to its scores used to be drowned out by people explaining why it was so bad. Do those criticisms still hold? Are serious people nowadays taking Geekbench to be a reasonably okay (though obviously imperfect) performance metric?

It's by no means a be all end all "read this number and know everything you need to know" benchmark but it tends to be good enough to give you a decent idea of how fast a device will be for a typical consumer.

If I could pick 1 "generic" benchmark to base things off of I'd pick PassMark though. It tends to agree with Geekbench on Apple Silicon performance but it is a bit more useful when comparing non-typical corner cases (high core count CPUs and the like).

Best of all is to look at a full test suite and compare for the specific workload types that matter to you... but that can often be overkill if all you want to know is "yep, Apple is pulling ahead on single thread performance".

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Good enough to be used for gaming? Really want Apple to get into that because dealing with Windows sucks.

That depends on what you want to play and what other things that suck that you’re willing to tolerate. The GPUs in previous M chips aren’t beating AMD or NVidia’s top offerings on anything except VRAM but you can definitely play games with them. Apple has released their Game Porting Toolkit a couple years ago which is basically like Wine/Proton in Linux and if you’re comfortable with Wine and approximately what a Ste…

Wow, had no idea this worked as well as it does. I remember the initial hype when this showed up but didn't follow along. Looks like I don't have to regard my Steam library as entirely gone.

Steam Deck-level performance is quite fine, I mainly just want to replay the older FromSoft games and my favorite indies every now and then.

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