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Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by flykespice »

preisschild wrote: post #72
lupire wrote: post #10

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The USA invaded and annexed lots of free countries. Invading and annexing isn't some weird thing no one usually does. Taiwan is the product of a recent civil war.

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> Not a single one in the last 100 years

Here is a ChatGPT response to you because I wont bother with kneejerk responses:

In the last 100 years, the United States has been involved in several military invasions and interventions in various countries. Some notable examples include:

Mexico (1914) - U.S. forces occupied Veracruz.

Haiti (1915-1934) - U.S. Marines occupied Haiti to stabilize the country.

Dominican Republic (1916-1924) - U.S. intervention to restore order and protect American interests.

Korea (1950-1953) - U.S. involvement in the Korean War, supporting South Korea against North Korea.

Vietnam (1955-1975) - Extensive military involvement in the Vietnam War.

Grenada (1983) - U.S. invasion to overthrow the government and restore order.

Panama (1989) - Operation Just Cause to depose Manuel Noriega.

Iraq (2003) - Invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein, followed by a prolonged military presence.

Afghanistan (2001-2021) - Response to the 9/11 attacks, targeting the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

This list highlights significant military actions but is not exhaustive, as the U.S. has also conducted numerous smaller operations, interventions, and covert actions in various countries over the years.

Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by coliveira »

Sabinus wrote: post #73
coliveira wrote: post #31

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According to the government, the US has infinite amounts of money because they can always print more...

..... and there is almost insatiable global demand for US dollars.

The US is sanctioning so many countries out of the dollar system that this will make no difference.

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Post by mlsu »

aurareturn wrote: post #56
kortilla wrote: post #47

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That’s a false premise. The government in the US does not need popular approval to do things. There isn’t direct voting on any of these actions and pressure on politicians is indirect and very slow for all but extremely egregious actions.

>That’s a false premise. The government in the US does not need popular approval to do things. Are you sure about that? Every US history class I've ever taken growing up told me about some form of propaganda usage by the US government prior to some action. WWI, WWII, Cold War, Vietnam War, Iraq War etc.

Propaganda is as much about convincing "the people" as it is convincing the "internal apparatus". Of course, for something like WWI, you have to have propaganda because the effort required is too large -- you can't do WWI or WWII with the apparatus alone.

But it's very important, even for the people "on the inside", to believe that they are fighting for the right cause, to be able to rationalize their actions. If you need something morally fraught to be done (like fight a war), the people doing it, regardless of who they work for on paper, are much more effective if they believe in their hearts that it's the right thing to do. Propaganda isn't really about convincing people do to things, it's about giving them the emotional toolkit to justify doing things with purpose and pride.

Re: China sanctions US drone maker Skydio

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Post by more_corn »

aurareturn wrote: post #15
orange_joe wrote: post #12

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I don’t really think a sanctioned entity is under obligation to argue “both sides”. I doubt Chinese companies under similar conditions will do so, or have done so in the past.

Funny thing is, when I talk to Chinese people in China, nearly all of them understand why the US and China are fighting: economic reasons. There isn't the same level of hate/demonization of the US in China as there is the opposite in US. People in China seem to be able to separate the emotions from the situation and able to understand the circumstance logically. Meanwhile, in the US, it's become more of a hate thing…

The people don’t fight. The governments do. War is the racket where the government convinces the people to die for them.

Nobody dislikes the Chinese people . But we also recognize that China has ambitions to expand its territory and we assume that the us government will oppose that.

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

UberFly wrote: post #61
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #16

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By state-supporting our own battery makers? Or does the Chinese government have more money than we do?

We'll have to up our slave-labor game while we're at it.

I think battery manufacturing is pretty heavily automated, isn't it?

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Post by Sabinus »

coliveira wrote: post #67
stefan_ wrote: post #32

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Yes, when you don't have access to independent reporting, you miss China building hundreds of landing and invasion vessels, ramming and threatening neighbors over absurd territorial claims, and you could ignorantly conclude there must be "economic reasons" behind the US and China fighting. I'm here to tell you that the economic conflict is merely an immediate and necessary consequence from the realization that when w…

Is China threatening any American owned territory? If not, why do you conclude that the US needs to go to war?

Because the US is the primary enforcer of the world order that mandates, broadly, that everyone can trade with no fear of attacks on their shipping, and that we don't steal each other's land any more.

When the US gives up on that role, the world is going to change drastically, and not for the better.

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Post by simne »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #58
simne wrote: post #43

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Huawei got sanctions after catch on spy activity. Who else you know?

Likewise skydio got sanctions after arming Taiwan. Can you arm Russia from within US without sanctions?

Nobody said about sanctions after arming Taiwan. It is just your guess. But about sanctions against Huawei, exists juridical cases and official statements.

Could you remember any case where US use sanctions without juridical case?

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Post by ganeshkrishnan »

simne wrote: post #88
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #58

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Likewise skydio got sanctions after arming Taiwan. Can you arm Russia from within US without sanctions?

Nobody said about sanctions after arming Taiwan. It is just your guess. But about sanctions against Huawei, exists juridical cases and official statements. Could you remember any case where US use sanctions without juridical case?

I could make up judicial cases and sanctions galore.. It's the reason why wto exists.

Huawei is neither sanctioned by wto nor Europe (till 2029) or any other part of the world

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Post by Jack000 »

aurareturn wrote: post #22
lazyeye wrote: post #18

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Is this actually true? From what Ive seen and read, the US is constantly demonized in the Chinese media.

The fact that people actually ask this question, shows how people in the west (assuming you are from there) only see China through mainstream media. No offense to you in particular. In China, if you walk around the street in any city, you can see many American brands such as McDonalds, KFC, Starbucks, Microsoft, Apple. American logos are proudly displayed. If you walk into a cafe, you will more often than not, hear A…

None of the things you listed mean much when it comes to ethno-nationalism. There are a lot of Chinese that love American brands but still hate the US for nationalist reasons.

Among my relatives I would say all are anti-US. About 5-6 of them vehemently so and want the war to start immediately.

I grew up in China and if you think there’s less propaganda in China compared to the US I don’t know what to tell you.

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