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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by an_guy »

jiggawatts wrote: post #75
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That freedom means giving enemies unfettered access to our most sensitive systems? Do you imply that Linux is a technology controlled by Western state actors? > I would like to remind you of the recent XZ utils backdoor into SSH contributed by a less than friendly nation state. Would you support a backdoor contributed by a friendly nation state?

I didn't say "western"! Whether we like to acknowledge it or not, the world has been split in two: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea... and everybody else. I can deploy an Azure or AWS cloud server right now in any one of several dozen nations, including Malaysia, Indonesia, Chile, Qatar, Israel, and Mexico. I can't deploy VMs in Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea. Not just because of sanctions, but because they don'…

> Not just because of sanctions, but because they don't allow me to. It's illegal for me

No it's because aws/azure failed to follow local Russian laws + sanctions imposed by US. If you need Russian vps, you can contact Russian providers.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by thayne »

fuoqi wrote: post #58
csense wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…

Such a blatant BS rationalization... The commit literally talks about "compliance". This is nothing more than an easy alternative to navigating the obscure sanctioning regime. It's like self-censorship, people/companies do this because of the fear that their activity may fall under sanctions, even though it highly likely does not. If your system relies on people being in "a free country with rights and ethics", then…

> people/companies do this because of the fear that their activity may fall under sanctions, even though it highly likely does not.

People/companies do this because lawyers tell them that there is a risk that the activity may violate sanctions. And yes the lawyers are probably overly conservative, but that's because there often isn't a way to know for sure whether something is actually a violation until you end up in the courtroom.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by jiggawatts »

an_guy wrote: post #81
jiggawatts wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say "western"! Whether we like to acknowledge it or not, the world has been split in two: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea... and everybody else. I can deploy an Azure or AWS cloud server right now in any one of several dozen nations, including Malaysia, Indonesia, Chile, Qatar, Israel, and Mexico. I can't deploy VMs in Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea. Not just because of sanctions, but because they don'…

> Not just because of sanctions, but because they don't allow me to. It's illegal for me No it's because aws/azure failed to follow local Russian laws + sanctions imposed by US. If you need Russian vps, you can contact Russian providers.

Microsoft seems to have no trouble “following local laws” in every other country they’re present in.

What’s different about the local laws in Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea?

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by fred_is_fred »

forinti wrote: post #40

Are US corporations going to be forced to fire their Russian coders?

They should have already based on the sanctions two years ago, Belarus also.

Some examples:

https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/8/23159656/microsoft-russia-...

https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-shrugs-off-jobs-impa...

https://www.hpe.com/us/en/newsroom/statement/2022/06/hpe-ann...

https://newsroom.ibm.com/Update-on-IBMs-Business-Operations-...

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by 123yawaworht456 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #76
123yawaworht456 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

did banning plastic straws in a few US cities fix climate change and pollution? >The access Russia currently enjoys is the equivalent of Goebbels being allowed to anonymously publish front-page editorials in the Times there's absolutely nothing you can do about this to prevent this. troll farms can afford residential VPNs and can network with the US/EU via neighboring neutral countries or their overseas agents. >whil…

> there's absolutely nothing you can do about this to prevent this. Fibre can be cut. I know it's unpalatable, or somehow "an escalation", but when NATO started backing Ukraine and the US imposed sanctions on Russia, the logical move would have been to immediately sever all of their international network links. There's what, a few dozen fibre connections crossing their borders? The alternative is this: https://editio…

"an escalation" is a bit of an understatement if you try to cut the fiber connecting Russia and China. they also share a border with Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Mongolia.

what the fuck are you going to do? do you people not understand how the Internet works? unless you isolate your network from all other networks, it is accessible from any other network.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by analognoise »

snvzz wrote: post #69

Not a good idea for Linux to get involved in geopolitical drama. Any self-respecting maintainer will not come back after this. Linux might have a lot of developers, but has a hard time finding and retaining maintainers. This is not a good development.

Most of the developers are paid by US companies. I don’t think this will really affect anything at all.
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