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Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by wkat4242 »

wenc wrote: post #78
EA-3167 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, give Kagi a chance. I don't work for them, I don't have friends who work for them, I'm just a guy who uses Kagi and will never look back. It isn't expensive and it's SO worth it.

I was a paid Kagi user. It’s one of those tools where I have to say, “it doesn’t fit me but you’re doing something good in the world so keep going.” I don’t do the kind of searches where Kagi is a lot better than Google (I bet folks here do). On the searches I do want to do, i.e steaming movies, local business and map related, Kagi is not yet strong at. I kept having to !g. So I’m back to Google which I find fits me…

The strange thing is that kagi gets most of its search results from other providers like brave, bing and I believe even Google. It should be able to find those things.

I use SearXNG by the way. Kagi is better but I like the way I can configure SearXNG.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by botanical76 »

amelius wrote: post #74

Can't we demand (+) that AI generated images get a watermark that designates it as such? (+) By frowning really hard at people who don't follow this rule? Because, don't defecate where you eat.

Is there any downside with introducing this demand to legislation? I feel that there's no problem with AI generated imagery being labelled as such, and on the other hand, we have a lot to gain by establishing a reliable signal that media was not generated by "AI". Users can always remove the metadata if they must exercise that freedom. But the vast majority of users won't so it would work in 99% of cases.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by lumb63 »

Kagi has a lot of features that seem “neat”. In fact, their pitch and feature set was enough to convince me to sign up. However, I haven’t been wowed by the service. I do not find there to be a noticeable difference above or below any other search engine I have used (all of which I would rank about the same).

I’m curious what other Kagi users are doing or finding that makes their experience so overwhelmingly positive. Is there some workflow I’m missing that’s required to get stupendous results? Are other search needs better met by Kagi that are missed by other search engines? Have others also felt a lack of “wow”?

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by neilv »

llamaimperative wrote: post #68
neilv wrote: post #67

> By default, Kagi Image Search downranks images from websites with a high proportion of AI-generated content. Is this incentive for sites to avoid/discourage AI-generated images, to avoid that hurting search rankings?

That's definitely the incentive it produces but given Kagi's market share, I imagine it will have pretty much zero effect on sites' behavior. It's much more (and quite valuable) a browser-side improvement.

True, but not only Kagi might find this a good tactic. The idea of many people doing negative reinforcement against generative AI "content" is interesting.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by drilbo »

koutsie wrote: post #77
EA-3167 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, give Kagi a chance. I don't work for them, I don't have friends who work for them, I'm just a guy who uses Kagi and will never look back. It isn't expensive and it's SO worth it.

I'd love to still use it, alas they've partnered with Brave - which made my stop immediately after hearing that - partnering with a crypto+advertising company - no thanks. It might still be the best option of the bunch, which is sad.

Source? All I can find is them integrating Brave Search API as one of their multiple sources. I wouldn't call that a partnership.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by benrapscallion »

lumb63 wrote: post #83

Kagi has a lot of features that seem “neat”. In fact, their pitch and feature set was enough to convince me to sign up. However, I haven’t been wowed by the service. I do not find there to be a noticeable difference above or below any other search engine I have used (all of which I would rank about the same). I’m curious what other Kagi users are doing or finding that makes their experience so overwhelmingly positive…

A clean page of results that the search engine deems best [i.e., no antagonistic commercial interest driving priorities] for the query and the ability to block domains - that was enough for me. ‘Summarize this page’ is useful as well.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by wenc »

wkat4242 wrote: post #81
wenc wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a paid Kagi user. It’s one of those tools where I have to say, “it doesn’t fit me but you’re doing something good in the world so keep going.” I don’t do the kind of searches where Kagi is a lot better than Google (I bet folks here do). On the searches I do want to do, i.e steaming movies, local business and map related, Kagi is not yet strong at. I kept having to !g. So I’m back to Google which I find fits me…

The strange thing is that kagi gets most of its search results from other providers like brave, bing and I believe even Google. It should be able to find those things. I use SearXNG by the way. Kagi is better but I like the way I can configure SearXNG.

Try looking for your a local Thai restaurant in your area. Kagi doesn’t profile you so it doesn’t know where you are, so any local searches involve adding a keyword or doing the search a second time with !g.

I just tried it on Kagi and it suggested a Yelp link for restaurants in McKinney TX which is nowhere near where I am.

Google uses what it knows about you as context — which arguably many folks here are against— but it does get me the right results in one go.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by nox101 »

freediver wrote: post #79
nox101 wrote: post #75

So that's nice for people that don't want AI images. In the other hand, I actually want the opposite. I want AI images ranked higher. They're more likely to be usable (CC-.., PD, etc)

Would you want to search for them though? Or ability to generate them yourself easily?

searching for the often leads to the prompts I need to get a similar image from which I can iterate from. So yes, I want to search for them

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by wkat4242 »

wenc wrote: post #88
wkat4242 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strange thing is that kagi gets most of its search results from other providers like brave, bing and I believe even Google. It should be able to find those things. I use SearXNG by the way. Kagi is better but I like the way I can configure SearXNG.

Try looking for your a local Thai restaurant in your area. Kagi doesn’t profile you so it doesn’t know where you are, so any local searches involve adding a keyword or doing the search a second time with !g. I just tried it on Kagi and it suggested a Yelp link for restaurants in McKinney TX which is nowhere near where I am. Google uses what it knows about you as context — which arguably many folks here are against— b…

Ah ok that explains a lot. I use a lot of privacy protection when I use any Google features (like running them in a separate Firefox container so it can't see other web activity). So I'm used to specifying that already.
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