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Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by crazygringo »

blep-arsh wrote: post #74
crazygringo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels extremely ungenerous to the Big Tech companies. What's wrong with trying out 100 different AI features across your product suite, and then seeing which ones "stick"? You figure out the 10 that users find really valuable, another 10 that will be super-valuable with improvement, and eventually drop the other 80. Especially when if Microsoft tries something and Google doesn't, that suddenly gives Microsoft a…

Force-feeding 100s of different AI features (90% of which are useless at best) to users is what's wrong with the approach.

Why?

It's not "force-feeding". You usually get a little popup highlighting the new feature that you close and never see again.

It's not that hard to ignore a new "magic wand" button in the toolbar or something.

I personally hardly use any of the features, but neither do I feel "force-fed" in the slightest. Aside from the introductory popups (which are interesting), they don't get in my way at all.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by coliveira »

crazygringo wrote: post #69
ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Some…

This feels extremely ungenerous to the Big Tech companies. What's wrong with trying out 100 different AI features across your product suite, and then seeing which ones "stick"? You figure out the 10 that users find really valuable, another 10 that will be super-valuable with improvement, and eventually drop the other 80. Especially when if Microsoft tries something and Google doesn't, that suddenly gives Microsoft a…

So it's ok for all of us to become lab rats for these companies?

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by withinboredom »

copperx wrote: post #68
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the press lumps it all together as "AI", you have to differentiate LLMs (driven by big tech and big money) from unrelated image/video types of generative models and approaches like diffusion, NeRF, Gaussian splatting, etc, which have their roots in academia.

LLMs don't have their roots in academia?

Not anymore.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by swatcoder »

crazygringo wrote: post #69
ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Some…

This feels extremely ungenerous to the Big Tech companies. What's wrong with trying out 100 different AI features across your product suite, and then seeing which ones "stick"? You figure out the 10 that users find really valuable, another 10 that will be super-valuable with improvement, and eventually drop the other 80. Especially when if Microsoft tries something and Google doesn't, that suddenly gives Microsoft a…

> What's wrong with trying out 100 different AI features across your product suite, and then seeing which ones "stick"?

For users? Almost everything is wrong with that.

There are no users looking for wild churn in their user interface, no users crossing their fingers that the feature that stuck for them gets pruned because it didn't hit adoption targets overall, no users hoping for popups and nags interrupting their workflow to promote some new garbage that was rushed out and barely considered.

Users want to know what their tool does, learn how to use it, and get back to their own business. They can welcome compelling new features, of course, but they generally want them to be introduced in a coherent way, they want to be able to rely on the feature being there for as long as their own use of those features persists, and they want to be able to step into and explore these new features on their own pace and without disturbance to their practiced workflow.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by crazygringo »

coliveira wrote: post #82
crazygringo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels extremely ungenerous to the Big Tech companies. What's wrong with trying out 100 different AI features across your product suite, and then seeing which ones "stick"? You figure out the 10 that users find really valuable, another 10 that will be super-valuable with improvement, and eventually drop the other 80. Especially when if Microsoft tries something and Google doesn't, that suddenly gives Microsoft a…

So it's ok for all of us to become lab rats for these companies?

Every consumer is a "lab rat" for every company at all times, if that's how you want to think about it.

Each of our decisions to buy or not buy a product, to use or not use a feature, influences the future design of our products.

And thank goodness, because that's the process by which products improve. It's capitalism at work.

Mature technologies don't need as much experimentation because they're mature. But whenever you get new technologies, yes all these new applications battle each other out in the market in a kind of survival-of-the-fittest. If you want to call consumers "lab rats", I guess that's your choice.

But the point is -- yes, it's not only OK -- it's something to be celebrated!

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by coliveira »

reaperducer wrote: post #49
renegade-otter wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's a Big Tech problem. Big Tech can come up with moronic ideas and be fine because they have unlimited cash. It's the smaller companies that need to count pennies who decide to flush the money down the AI Boondoggle Toilet. "But Google does it. If we do it, we will be like Google".

"But Google does it. If we do it, we will be like Google". Were you in my meeting about 40 minutes ago? Because that's almost exactly what was said. If the big tech companies wanted to be really evil, they could invent a nonsense tech that doesn't work, then watch as all the small upstart competitors bankrupt themselves to replicate it.

Isn't this what AI is all about? Don't kid yourself, most companies, even some big ones, will bankrupt themselves chasing AI and the few remaining will get the spoils.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by __alias »

MiddleEndian wrote: post #57
ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Some…

My company has decided to update its hr page to use AI for reasons unknown. So instead of the old workflow: "visit HR page" → "click link that for whatever reason doesn't give you a permanent link you can bookmark for later" it's now: "visit HR page" → "do AI search for the same link which is suggested as the first option" → "wait 10-60 seconds for it to finally return something" → "click link that for whatever reaso…

Mine has as well, but it's pretty useful. It's really just a search engine though, but it's indexed confluence and all other internal sites and i've found it pretty useful for everything.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by jerf »

porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

"But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation."

This is a common pattern across many fields. The truly top-end companies are always running ahead of open source.

But that doesn't mean it's a permanent situation. It just means you're looking at it from a point in time where the commercials got there, and open source hasn't yet. Open source will get there, and then Adobe will be ahead on something else.

I've played a bit with "comfyui" over the past few days, a bizarre name for an AI image generation power tool. (And other things, but I have no experience there to know how good it is at those.) It drips with power. The open source world is not generally behind on raw capability. As is often the case, open source's deficiency for generative fill for instance is that A: it offers too much control, too many knobs (e.g., "which of several dozen models would you like to start with?"), and while that's awesome if you know what you're doing, it is not yet at the "circle this and click 'remove'" yet, and B: the motivation and firepower to integrate this all into a slick package is not there. I can definitely do an AI generative fill with open source software, but I'll be exporting an image into comfyui, either building my own generative fill program or grabbing some rando's program online who may or may not be using compatible models or require me to install additional bespoke functionality into comfyui, doing my work, and re-exporting it. The job is done, but it's much more complicated, and most people don't care about the other extra capabilities this workflow yields so for them it's just cost.

It's a very normal pattern in the open source world. Nothing about the current situation particularly gives me cause to worry specially about it.

To be concrete, here's a YouTube video that's to the more advanced side of what you can do in the open source world, which is probably still ultimately simplistic compared to what some people do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijqXnW_9gzc That entire series is worth a look, and there's more it doesn't cover. You can get incredible control over these tools in the open source world, but it involves listening to some guy on YouTube trying to explain why you might to sometimes use a thing called "dpmpp_2m_sde_gpu"... not exactly normie-friendly.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by [deleted] »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #59
porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

> A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable To a Linux user, yes. To a professional, it was always a cruel joke, it was never close, even a few years ago. It's like saying Notepad++ is a functional IDE, or Kdenlive is a functional replacement for DaVinci Resolve. I cannot stress this enough: Actual professionals do not think GIMP is a viable replacement, in any way, and never have.

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