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MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by pornel »

m-s-y wrote: post #74
f1shy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhat loosely related, but I have something similar with the iPhone browser. Where opening the browser will shortly show the last page I had open (even I carefully closed it before closing the browser). Even if it never got me into trouble, I found that annoying as s. And could potentially make problems.

FWIW, what you’re seeing is likely just the cached thumbnail that iOS creates for the app-switcher UI, not an interactive web session.

Yes, but still if you have somebody looking over your shoulder, it can leak whatever you've been looking at.

There's a way to block that entirely for "secure' apps, but iOS could be smarter about this, and cache some stripped down view or expire that cache quicker.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by hypeatei »

thisislife2 wrote: post #70

> In this scenario the macOS firewall does not seem to function correctly and is disregarding firewall rules ... Some examples of apps that do this are Apple’s own apps and services since macOS 14.6, up until a recent 15.1 beta. This is not new - every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall. And I have to painstakingly go through all of it and change it.…

> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios.

Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

lukan wrote: post #23
Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Safari is shit" credit until they and Google force the internet until a browser-turned App-Play-Store war. Both companies win, and can blame the other company - all while incentivising anti-competition behavior and benefiting from their own organizational, yet alt…

"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?

> Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead

what kind of answer is that exactly?

I would much prefer they fix the issue, yes, the stuff I'm using is provided by Apple and it's been paid off in full, I don't know what made people believe that it's ok if software sucks...

If a train company causes an accident they are considered liable if a software company leaks my data they should be considered liable, it's as simple as that, no need for this anti government stands that frankly make adults look like angry teenagers with a bad bladder

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by Faaak »

bayindirh wrote: post #10
theshrike79 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are exactly zero situations where I would want my laptop be anything except fully muted when I open it.

Your applications should catch the signal and pause. Safari, Apple Music and Spotify handle this well. Firefox needs a bugfix.

Yet they still make a sound when powered on or resuming sleep (and curiously, when plugged into my usb-c monitor, keeps going to sleep and turning back on (with a nice sound) forever. No other laptop win or Linux does that)

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by bookaway »

eru wrote: post #31
phoe-krk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.

Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

> governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations.

Speaking of competence devoid of context misses the point. They are resembling each other greatly in the sense of misaligned incentives with their "users", which supersedes run-of-the-mill competence in terms of importance in this context. I'm not going to give points to some moron who is swimming competently in the wrong direction.

> MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

An oddly naive comment given all that has been written about how Amazon operates, to give one example.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

bayindirh wrote: post #14
pt_PT_guy wrote: post #6

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Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer. ...a toy OS which becomes invisible most of the time for serious users indeed. I prefer Linux over anything else, but let's be real.

> Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer.

so basically a Linux less free and less customizable that only runs on a single platform and architecture (ok, let's make it 2!) and still as it seems has some serious bad security bug that no other OS has

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by bayindirh »

Faaak wrote: post #84
bayindirh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your applications should catch the signal and pause. Safari, Apple Music and Spotify handle this well. Firefox needs a bugfix.

Yet they still make a sound when powered on or resuming sleep (and curiously, when plugged into my usb-c monitor, keeps going to sleep and turning back on (with a nice sound) forever. No other laptop win or Linux does that)

I actually tested my laptop before writing that comment. My laptop(s) make no sound even if I close the lid with playing audio (sans Firefox, as I said).

I didn't test sleep/wake consciously while I docked my laptops, but I don't remember they start making sounds when they should be silent. Maybe you're seeing PowerNap cycles, but mine is not doing any noise in PowerNap, either.

Need to test with leaving Firefox playing something and see what it does.

...all in all, interesting sentiments. I'm using these things for ~15 years at this point, and while they did funny things in the past, this was not one of them.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by bayindirh »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #86
bayindirh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer. ...a toy OS which becomes invisible most of the time for serious users indeed. I prefer Linux over anything else, but let's be real.

> Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer. so basically a Linux less free and less customizable that only runs on a single platform and architecture (ok, let's make it 2!) and still as it seems has some serio…

> so basically a Linux less free and less customizable...

Yes, fine as a secondary OS (to Linux, for me) though.

> serious bad security bug that no other OS has

Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed. If we're talking about Mullvad's findings, it's a race condition, which can happen anywhere since VPN is always a secondary process which needs to run and login after network wakes up, and use the existing network connections to route the traffic.

You need to enable VPNs to stop all outbound traffic until they make their connections, which needs new and interesting plumbing.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by aniviacat »

sureIy wrote: post #80
gtvwill wrote: post #45

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Yeah that's been easy for a few years now. Kdeconnect works great/it's been available on Linux since well before windows got it.

I don't trust the definition of "easy" from a Linux man. For me easy means logging into my iCloud account and having it work by default.

It's even easier than that; you don't even have to setup an account.

When your devices are on the same network, you can just request pairing on one device and accept pairing on the other. Done.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by DavideNL »

m-s-y wrote: post #74
f1shy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhat loosely related, but I have something similar with the iPhone browser. Where opening the browser will shortly show the last page I had open (even I carefully closed it before closing the browser). Even if it never got me into trouble, I found that annoying as s. And could potentially make problems.

FWIW, what you’re seeing is likely just the cached thumbnail that iOS creates for the app-switcher UI, not an interactive web session.

This is also the case for FaceTime; The last image the camera captured will stay visible in the app switcher like forever... so other people who use your iPad / iPhone can see it.
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