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Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by thiht »

hggigg wrote: post #21

Eh could be worse. My daughter’s boyfriend’s parents won’t use Apple stuff because the logo has a bite out of it. Hilariously though they are paranoid about China and Chinese influence and go on about it all the time including Apple making stuff in China but have Huawei phones.

I’m not sure I understand, what’s wrong with the bite? I’m guessing something with biting the forbidden fruit or some other nonsense? Do these people know it’s at no point in any scriptures described as an apple? Also do these people understand what a metaphor is?

Christian literalism is absolutely moronic.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by veltas »

troad wrote: post #77
veltas wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it requires genuine acceptance that others believe and speak differently, and that that's OK That itself is a question of ethics, that I don't think you need to agree with to be able to be tolerant. You can tolerate people without thinking it's "OK" for people to believe things you think are wrong to believe.

Well, now that's a meatier point. I'd say there are natural limits to tolerance. One is under no obligation to tolerate racism, for example. One may choose to be a friend to a racist in the hopes of being a positive influence, but this may be difficult for a person to manage without sacrificing their integrity. It must not be expected or mandatory. (And certainly not for members of the race being vilified.) Similarly…

There's a big difference between tolerance and friendship.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by veltas »

BSDobelix wrote: post #75
veltas wrote: post #52

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> It's maybe a clever tactic to keep religious extremists away. Or a clever tactic to reduce diversity, because many diverse countries of the world are full of people who would be uncomfortable or wouldn't want to associate with such images, because of their culture and religion. > Send from a Iphone ;) Sent from Android, but besides the point. I've used FreeBSD and have tried to make it work for me. Unfortunately be…

>I'm not stopping you from being anti religious, or anti Christian. I am a catholic, but thanks for the "anti Christian" label, you see that's what i mean with extremism ;)

I didn't say (or didn't mean to imply?) you were anti-Christian. But now it sounds like you're calling me an extremist, which actually is controlling/manipulative behaviour, is it not? And for no good reason.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by krapp »

marshray wrote: post #11

I remember my wife describing the funny look she got from our "traditional" next door neighbor as she took the latest edition of the BSD journal out of the mailbox. Never went any further than that. But if you choose to use a literal hell-themed demon as your product's logo, don't be surprised if it limits your user base.

Cartoon devils are everywhere in pop culture, from deviled ham to Looney Tunes to sports mascots. If even a significant number of Christians cared enough to avoid associating with any company that has any kind of devil logo, there would be evidence of it as a trend in the market. As far as I know, no such evidence exists, therefore it's reasonable to assume that using a devil logo doesn't limit anyone's user base to any degree that matters.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by krapp »

LeonM wrote: post #50

Instead of trying to change the mascot, why not add a little "what is this?" button next to it, which when clicked explains that it is a mascot, not some devil's worship. Also, somehow I got the feeling that this hotel wasn't seriously going to lose business over the mascot. A 'long term guest' that is offended by something as innocent as a picture sure sounds to me like someone just trying get out of some obligation…

That wouldn't change the mindset of the kind of person we're talking about. They would just assume you're worshiping the devil and lying about it.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by BSDobelix »

defrost wrote: post #76
BSDobelix wrote: post #75

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>I'm not stopping you from being anti religious, or anti Christian. I am a catholic, but thanks for the "anti Christian" label, you see that's what i mean with extremism ;)

As I recall, didn't Catholics cement themselves as anti-Christian religuous extremists with the Albigensian Crusade? Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius seems pretty extreme. Apocryphal quotes aside there's a well documented long history of intolerance of core cannon heresy.

Your are right, now i know that the whole time i was the extremist by birth.

>Apocryphal quotes aside there's a well documented long history of intolerance of core cannon heresy.

Like with every single religion right?

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by [deleted] »

veltas wrote: post #83
BSDobelix wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm not stopping you from being anti religious, or anti Christian. I am a catholic, but thanks for the "anti Christian" label, you see that's what i mean with extremism ;)

I didn't say (or didn't mean to imply?) you were anti-Christian. But now it sounds like you're calling me an extremist, which actually is controlling/manipulative behaviour, is it not? And for no good reason.

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Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by defrost »

BSDobelix wrote: post #86
defrost wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I recall, didn't Catholics cement themselves as anti-Christian religuous extremists with the Albigensian Crusade? Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius seems pretty extreme. Apocryphal quotes aside there's a well documented long history of intolerance of core cannon heresy.

Your are right, now i know that the whole time i was the extremist by birth. >Apocryphal quotes aside there's a well documented long history of intolerance of core cannon heresy. Like with every single religion right?

Pretty sure there's a modicum of diversity there .. Father Bob McGuire's no Christian Brother or Cardinal George Pell. You might be one of the good ones ... :)

> Like with every single religion right?

Eh, dunno about that, there's a lot of variation - off hand I don't think the Baháʼí engaged in many pograms or inquisitions .. other religions have notably dabbled in many such things.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by wrp »

> a daemon, not the Devil.

Many years ago, I was working in some Islamic countries where getting literature through customs was very hit and miss, depending on the religious sensibilities of the inspecting agent. I actually called the FreeBSD office and explained to someone that it would make my life easier if I could get copies of their material without their devil logo. The person I talked to was completely unsympathetic. "Just explain to them that it's a daemon, not a demon."

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Post by dagmx »

larodi wrote: post #19
dagmx wrote: post #14

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This is sort of incorrect. The BSD daemon was originally drawn by Phil Foglio. As seen here https://www.mckusick.com/beastie/jpg/foglio.jpg Lasseter did a later (more current and iconic) revision. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon?wprov=sfti1 Also John did more than just direct Toy Story. Lasseter was one of the founders of Pixar , directed several movies, took over the chief creative officer role for both Pix…

So both children of Larry are doing movies then, right? The daughter did the movie Her, which is funny, cause OpenAI used the same concept for ads. Wonder if my children would achieve my dream to be a director. I only got it to being on stage as an assistant professor, and a deejay. And promoter also. The promoter is sort of director, but is more an executive production role really.

Yes both children have corresponding media companies.

Skydance and Annapurna

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