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Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by Neikius »

GranPC wrote: post #34
rendaw wrote: post #28

It says "Wired/Wireless and NFC combo" under battery charging, but there's no mention of NFC under "Connectivity". Is it charging only? I'd like a linux phone but the Purism phone eschewed NFC too.

There's NFC, although the Linux stack support for NFC is a little limiting. However the NFC hardware is passed through to the Android container, so if, for example, your bank doesn't demand that you pass SafetyNet, you can pay with the phone. (I have done this)

How would you check what the banking app you are using requires?

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by bsimpson »

It's surprising to me that there aren't any details about the software stack.

Whenever I've tried to find a touch-optimized Linux shell, I've come up short. As has been discussed on this forum in the past, most of the attempts are understaffed side projects that have thousands of manhours of work ahead of them.

I'd like to know what shell FuriOS is based on, and what they're doing to make it usable. Even a demo video would go a long way!

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by whytevuhuni »

robertlagrant wrote: post #75

> Fast, performant and cheap. You wanted all 3? Now you got it! What's the difference between fast and "performant"?

Maybe one is latency (how optimized the software is) and the other is throughput (how many cores it has).

Although more likely just weird marketing.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by maufl »

Can anyone estimate what it would cost to develop a new phone that's like the N900 with updated hardware (slide out keyboard, camera cover, maybe drop the input stylus, a bit flatter and larger) and mainline Linux support for all components? I'm sometimes wondering if this is something I could have Pine64 do if I accidentally get rich enough. I think I would spent the rest of my days just writing the software for this.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by michaelmior »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #53
freedomben wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree I would love this option, but how much would you be willing to pay for such a device? Would you pay $800? $1,000? $1,400? That's where I have a hard time. I would pay that kind of money, but I would need something well polished and fully capable of being a "daily driver." I think many people are in the same place I am, and thus we have a real chicken and egg problem here.

I'd pay up to 3k if it was quality delivered the experience of a top quality phone and a top quality laptop. I mean the technology to do this is already here. If apple or samsung wanted to do this... they can. Right now I use an iphone, but if samsung made a phone that felt like say linux, windows or macos when in laptop mode... I would switch off iphone in a heartbeat. And i mean it has to feel like macOS. None of t…

> and a top quality laptop. > I mean the technology to do this is already here.

I think it really depends on what precisely you mean here. I don't think it's currently possible to get the same performance of my M3 Max MacBook Pro in the form factor of a phone.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by asimovfan »

maufl wrote: post #84

Can anyone estimate what it would cost to develop a new phone that's like the N900 with updated hardware (slide out keyboard, camera cover, maybe drop the input stylus, a bit flatter and larger) and mainline Linux support for all components? I'm sometimes wondering if this is something I could have Pine64 do if I accidentally get rich enough. I think I would spent the rest of my days just writing the software for thi…

I believe everyone has similar fantasies. Your best bet is a custom made mini laptop with a x86_64 SoC with perhaps 18650 batteries or thin easily replaceable battery packs..

I believe the GPD Pocket is also x86_64.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by onli »

mmh0000 wrote: post #40

I want to like it... But, I've been bitten too many times by expensive Linux phones (Oh Nokia N900, how I wanted to love you. but you couldn't even make phone calls without threatening to crash). It's a little weird that there are very few details on this thing. Notably, one of my #1 concerns when looking for a new phone today is a good camera. And all I can find on the camera is "it's 50MP!!! " But how do actual, no…

The website (which is faster now) links to a review with a nice photo showcase, https://blog-d.luigi311.com/furilabs-flx1/. Not perfect, but better than I thought!

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by ForHackernews »

whyowhy3484939 wrote: post #69
ninetyninenine wrote: post #43

What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function as my laptop as well. One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this. We have the technology we have the demand, it's just companies who make the high quality phones want to completely lock down the market. You would think the free market would…

> I think everyone wants this. You asked for it. I don't want that. I don't want an "integrated experience" and "flagship quality". The first sounds juvenile and the second sounds unnecessarily expensive and probably containing shit I don't need, like fancy cameras to look good on my nonexistent socials. What I want is a simple, slow, old, efficient, simple phone with the interface of an 80s era 8bit computer that ca…

These do (or did) exist: feature phones shipped with FirefoxOS. Almost no one bought them and the effort was widely seen as a failure, although KaiOS enjoys ongoing success in the developing world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Firefox_OS_devic...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by ninetyninenine »

whyowhy3484939 wrote: post #69
ninetyninenine wrote: post #43

What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function as my laptop as well. One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this. We have the technology we have the demand, it's just companies who make the high quality phones want to completely lock down the market. You would think the free market would…

> I think everyone wants this. You asked for it. I don't want that. I don't want an "integrated experience" and "flagship quality". The first sounds juvenile and the second sounds unnecessarily expensive and probably containing shit I don't need, like fancy cameras to look good on my nonexistent socials. What I want is a simple, slow, old, efficient, simple phone with the interface of an 80s era 8bit computer that ca…

>I basically want an open source dumb phone. Do these exist? If not, why not focus on this first? Why go for fancy cameras and apps when we can't even make calls? Looking at your PinePhone.

Your dream is achievable and has been achieved. PinePhone for example.

I obviously don't mean everyone everyone. More like the overwhelming majority of people.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by onli »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #78
freedomben wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source Android has been increasingly neglected by Google, and is (essentially) unusable at this point unless you are ok with the look and feel of very early Android. It also isn't likely to improve as Google's strategy seems to be to move toward more and more proprietaryness. I think a much more sustainable approach is to focus on existing Linux distros and get them more usable on phones.

You are wrong about AOSP. I'm running LineageOS (Android 14) on both my phone and tablet without Gapps and it is a fully functional system. (NewPipe for youtube, Aurora/Fdroid for for App Stores) I don't know what you mean by "look and feel of early android" either, as AOSP based ROMs look just like Google Pixel in the settings, quick dropdowns and dialogue popups.

LineageOS is not the raw open source Android though that the parent probably referred to. Afaik there are quite some changes needed by now to make it really usable.

But sure, LOS proves it can be done.

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