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Re: The Stallman Report

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Taboos are often controversial. And if he were a sociologist or anthropologist, published in the field with any reputation at all in it, who could speak on that complex dynamic over history and the interplay between environment, tradition, human biology, and social context, he might have a prayer of using reason to move the needle on the taboos in his own culture. But he's not. He's a professor in another field speak…

But does he have a right for his personal opinion in a free country?

Of course.

But he's using that right to say very public things that are very objectionable, in a space he understands poorly, and everyone else can use their same rights to call him on his nonsense. And when one is an academic, one's word carries weight outside one's area of expertise.

For all the good he did for science education, a common criticism of Carl Sagan is he was an astrophysicist (damn good one) who dabbled in neurobiology, which was well outside his area of expertise---his oft-repeated "reptile brain" theory basically doesn't match to a contemporary understanding of neuro-anatomy and didn't when he wrote Cosmos either. But because he shared it from his platform and wrote a book on the topic, "humans are a fish brain wrapped in a lizard brain wrapped in a monkey brain" is an oft-repeated untruth.

We hold those whose reputations and positions are built on knowledge more accountable to be right when they speak than we hold others. Stallman chooses to exercise his freedom of speech, and we choose to hold him accountable for his position on topics that have real consequences for people who aren't him.

Re: The Stallman Report

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More charitably, perhaps people are looking at the movement foundering and asking if the reason is that its leader has too much baggage to talk to the people with political power to move free software forward?

I am being charitable. The uncharitable take is that the people who wrote this incredibly uncharitable and obsessive character assassination of an old dying guy are working for Microsoft et. al.

Since Stallman (and basically the whole FSF) doesn't have anything to say about cloud computing other than "don't use it" and his movement hasn't come up with a better alternative, Microsoft doesn't even think about Stallman anymore.

Re: The Stallman Report

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For once doesn't seem like a hit piece, the arguments are pretty solid and well documented. Very thorough job and if RMS was smart he would gracefully step down. The only argument I find here against it is the question of whether someone's personal opinions should be a reason to be removed from a leadership position. Edit: Oh wow just read the recommendations. Can't agree to most of it, sorry.

What is the issue with the recommendations?

Re: The Stallman Report

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If you look at the history of the NAACP trying to fight legal discrimination, one of the things they were quite focused on was ensuring that the cases involved people who are as clean as possible. The messenger matters as much as the message does; the more imperfect the messenger it is, the more it allows those against the message to turn the conversation from the message to the messenger. Stallman, even without the…

> Whatever you think of the accuracy of the accusations against him, the general perception of him is clearly negative Which is why we should support him even more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22299156

What is the goal: to promote free software or to stand for people's rights to have sexual relations with fourteen-year-olds?

If the former, having the movement spearheaded by someone who has pretty controversial views on the latter isn't really doing the movement any good. If FSF clings stubbornly to a thought-leader who people can't take seriously, they're canceling themselves.

I've seen the accusation leveraged in this topic that this anonymous piece could be FUD by Microsoft or a similar big-name software giant. I'd actually suggest the opposite: if I wanted to throw sand in the gears of free software, keeping Stallman in the leadership chair so that his opponents can point to him and say "You really want to listen to the guy who wants to sleep with your teenage daughter?" is the way I'd discredit the movement.

Re: The Stallman Report

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I am being charitable. The uncharitable take is that the people who wrote this incredibly uncharitable and obsessive character assassination of an old dying guy are working for Microsoft et. al.

Since Stallman (and basically the whole FSF) doesn't have anything to say about cloud computing other than "don't use it" and his movement hasn't come up with a better alternative, Microsoft doesn't even think about Stallman anymore.

Yes, that's the obvious argument against this being a false flag operation: why would they bother, they already won. Is Bill Gates that petty?

So that means that it's more likely that this is just backbiting on an old, sick man. E.g.: The People's Front of Judea vs. Judean People's Front

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

Let the old nerd die in peace with his friends.

(I'm done with this thread and this subject. Have a better one.)

Re: The Stallman Report

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Since Stallman (and basically the whole FSF) doesn't have anything to say about cloud computing other than "don't use it" and his movement hasn't come up with a better alternative, Microsoft doesn't even think about Stallman anymore.

Yes, that's the obvious argument against this being a false flag operation: why would they bother, they already won. Is Bill Gates that petty? So that means that it's more likely that this is just backbiting on an old, sick man. E.g.: The People's Front of Judea vs. Judean People's Front https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4 Let the old nerd die in peace with his friends. (I'm done with this thread and this sub…

It's a bit hard to do that for the people who still care about the movement when the "old nerd" is still on the board of directors.

You make an interesting point though: perhaps the FSF has made its bed and the best solution is to give up on it and rally behind another organization with similar goals. Maybe the 'net interprets Stallman as damage and routes around him.

Re: The Stallman Report

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GNU kind communication guidelines the report purports to be transphobic: "Please think about how to treat other participants with respect, especially when you disagree with them. For instance, call them by the names they use, and refer to them using words whose meanings (as you understand them) cover those participants' stated gender identities. Please also show tolerance and respect for people who do that using diff…

> refer to them using words whose meanings (as you understand them) cover those participants' stated gender identities

If I were trans, that portion of the guideline would be enough to nope me out of participating in GNU projects. The "as you understand them" parenthetical gives cover for transphobes to intentionally misgender trans people, since they can hide behind saying that they feel it's only appropriate to use these terms for the appropriate biological sex.

Re: The Stallman Report

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That's pretty insightful comment for someone of post-USSR background as well. The important difference here is that all the institutions in question were founded by Stallman himself. And there are plenty of open-source communities that don't involve Stallman at all, and the barrier to create new ones is low as well - as soon as people are willing to follow you.

And, indeed, I can't speak for everyone but his continued involvement with FSF has put it off the list of organizations I'm interested in working with at all.

Thus demonstrating an effective filter against the type of pitchfork wielders and keyboard warriors who want to destroy and punish, rather than create and flourish.

Re: The Stallman Report

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The anonymous authors of this website have instructed people on other websites to come here and downvote any and all comments that speak in favor of RMS: https://mastodon.social/@report_press/113305688857205037 This is telling. They don't want discourse, they want to silence and bully everyone who disagrees with them so only they are allowed to speak. All they have is anonymous accusations with zero proof, an off-con…

The link provided doesn't mention that. They did in another post ask for people to "Don't necessarily upvote it -- just "vouch" for it if you think it's on-topic." By the way the report is pretty solid. https://mastodon.social/@report_press/113306313558293261

For the sake of correctness, it should be noted it did not say that when first posted, only "Enable showdead in your profile, find the post on /newest, and click [vouch] whenever it's flagged.". It was later changed into "Don't upvote it -- just "vouch" for it if you think it belongs.", and immediately after "Don't necessarily upvote it -- just "vouch" for it if you think it's on-topic.". The revision history is available on Mastodon by pressing the "Last Edited" hypertext.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Well if you have read the document he only retracted his opinion on children children and childhood seems to stop for him at 14 and after that you are a teenager and you are fair game. I have a lot of sympathy for teenager leading their own sex lives with each other. I have a lot less sympathy for adults that bring up the fact that teenager are entitled to a sexuality when the implication is that adults shouldn't be…

> you are fair game I am pretty confident that when Stallman writes about large age gaps, he wasn't condoning predatory behaviour, but wanted to emphasize the fact that some people can be fully capable of making their own decisions even if they are in their teens. (I would go a little further to add that some people in their twenties or later can be equally vulnerable to predatory behaviour as regular sheltered teens…

Yes but there has to be a limit. Legislators western countries have agreed that this was around 14/18 with some caveats regarding age gaps. It seems most countries are ok with teenagers having sex lives between themselves but try to avoid relationships where an older man has a position of authority over the teenager. It seems sensible enough.

But I notice that he hasn't written at length about how teenagers should be able to vote before they are 18 that I know of. The fact that he is weirdly fixated over this issue reminds us of Gabriel Matzneff and others who were basically men who wanted to be able to have sex with teenagers because they enjoy it and had no issue with having power over their younger partner.

Teenagers are already allowed to have a rich sex life, what they need is more protection from older men not less.

I mean it is enough to read the report and the quotes to understand that that man is a militant and wants better acess to teenagers for sexual purposes. The report also does a good job of explaining what's wrong with it if you care about those issues.

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