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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by sneak »

Sanzig wrote: post #44

On one hand - if the demos are representative, this looks like a very cool product right out of science fiction. On the other hand, Meta is one of the very last companies that I would trust to operate a fleet of network connected always-on cameras attached to everyone's faces. The privacy implications are pretty horrifying. Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their ad…

I can't even load the announcement page because I have all netblocks and domains of FB, Instagram, Meta, WhatsApp, Oculus, et c all blocked at my router.

The very concept of an ad company trying to mediate all social interactions so they can sell communication and interaction with our friends and business associates back to us is such a toxic and antisocial one that I'm surprised that anyone let it happen in the first place.

Facebook delenda est.

Normalize banning anyone who wears such an ad company surveillance apparatus into your home or business.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by prettymuchnoone »

jlund-molfese wrote: post #68
dcchambers wrote: post #18

Still kinda dorky looking but 10x better than what Snap unveiled last week.[^1] Software looks miles ahead of the AR glasses competition as well. Nice job FB engineers...keep cooking! [^1]: https://www.spectacles.com/

I was going to say that Snap's offering was probably cheaper or designed for mass marketing because their page looks like something you could actually buy. But that isn't the case! Snap will only rent them to you at $1200/year [0], can't imagine what the BOM is like for either of these products. [0] https://www.spectacles.com/lens-studio

don't know about spectacles but the verge's article about it quote someone saying it's about 10k to make this:

> As Meta’s executives retell it, the decision to shelve Orion mostly came down to the device’s astronomical cost to build, which is in the ballpark of $10,000 per unit. Most of that cost is due to how difficult and expensive it is to reliably manufacture the silicon carbide lenses. When it started designing Orion, Meta expected the material to become more commonly used across the industry and therefore cheaper, but that didn’t happen.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by baby »

fidotron wrote: post #61

Facebook get one step closer to blurring out real ads and overlaying them with FB ads. It is incredibly clever, and you have to respect the technology, but the endgame here is horrific.

It must not be fun to see every new technological improvement as a horrific thing

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Sanzig wrote: post #44

On one hand - if the demos are representative, this looks like a very cool product right out of science fiction. On the other hand, Meta is one of the very last companies that I would trust to operate a fleet of network connected always-on cameras attached to everyone's faces. The privacy implications are pretty horrifying. Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their ad…

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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ang_cire »

This is cool from a technical standpoint, but ultimately just feels like another gimmick. This feels like it's doing stuff that I could do faster or better (and definitely, more safely) on a computer or phone.

I don't personally see the appeal of hands-free as a paradigm in most cases. Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping? I also see ESPN and YouTube, so yeah... this thing better detect when you're moving at speed and disable video apps.

I'm just struggling to see when you would be in a setting where you should use these, that you shouldn't be using a device you already have. It's like trying to sell me on using a smartwatch to take voice calls: sure, there is exactly 1 situation I can think of where that's useful, which is getting a call when I'm out running and don't want to "lug" a whole phone with me. But I sure don't want to be wearing glasses when I otherwise don't need to (and these aren't prescription, so you are), just in case someone tries to Zoom me unplanned.

Can you imagine how goofy you'd look sitting at a coffee shop and just sort of staring into the middle distance and talking, as you take a Zoom call?

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by baby »

tony_cannistra wrote: post #5

I have to assume there are folks out there for whom the maximum chonky appearance is appealing. I think we still have some room to grow there in terms of aesthetic for the majority though. undoubtedly a progressive achievement in the field, despite it all

Mark said they need to iterate to make it more cool, and that's why they won't release this just yet. It looks like it's going to be a dev kit

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by sekai »

Sanzig wrote: post #44

On one hand - if the demos are representative, this looks like a very cool product right out of science fiction. On the other hand, Meta is one of the very last companies that I would trust to operate a fleet of network connected always-on cameras attached to everyone's faces. The privacy implications are pretty horrifying. Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their ad…

I still remember how privacy issues killed Google Glass, truly ahead of it's time. Sorry Sergey Brin.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ojbyrne »

jarbus wrote: post #22

Everyone was crapping on Zuck for his pivot from FB to Meta, and I was generally in the minority for supporting it. I even bought a quest 3, even though I refuse to use instagram. This turnaround for the company has been legendary. I think there’s something to say on “betting on people”. I didn’t believe in Meta or the technology, necessarily - for some reason, I believed in Zuck. He was willing to put his entire emp…

Maybe? This isn't a product, it's a prototype. It costs $10k to build.

https://www.theverge.com/24253908/meta-orion-ar-glasses-demo...

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by regularfry »

baby wrote: post #76
greener_grass wrote: post #27

Glasses that offer you an AR experience / HUD? Pretty cool Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Downright creepy I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass).

I wear my Meta glasses all the time and use them to record all the time. It's fine, you're already surrounded by people who brandish their phones to record everything.

Yeah, but people who brandish their phones know that they're performing the act of recording. Glasses that record are exactly not that.
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