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Sanding UI

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Re: Sanding UI

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Post by extra88 »

dumbo-octopus wrote: post #36
extra88 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, all the screen readers handle implicit labels just fine. As the a11ysupport.io tests show, it's Voice Control software that fails, not just Dragon NaturallySpeaking but also the built-in Voice Control in macOS. I think the implication is these voice control programs aren't using the accessibility tree built by the browser but parsing the DOM themselves, poorly. It's not really surprising for Dragon since it does…

Voice Control also works perfectly fine, I just tested it myself on their provided sample. Say "select your name" on this page: https://a11ysupport.io/tests/html/html_label_element_implici...

They must have fixed it in Safari 18. I'm running macOS 14.6.1 and at the beginning of the month it didn't work but I also just tried it and now it does.

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Post by aetherspawn »

This is so lost in Agile.

Engineers should get the time to “sand” their products, but we just don’t. If QA doesn’t make a ticket for the space between, it’ll never get fixed.

The customer probably notices this kind of a thing but it’s a miracle if the customer bothers to report it, and another miracle if it eventually turns into a ticket, and another miracle if someone prioritises it enough to spend time fixing it.

[In fact most companies have such opaque issue boards that as a customer I get so frustrated when I find a small issue or bug and have to spend like 50 hours back and forth to prove it’s a bug and actually get a ticket put in the tracker.]

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Post by darepublic »

DustinBrett wrote: post #44

I've been "sanding" my personal website ( https://dustinbrett.com ) for nearly 4 years now, and it feels like it could go on forever. Luckily I enjoy working on it.

very nice. though you cannot have > 1 nesting of dustinbrett.com afaict

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Post by skykooler »

xyst wrote: post #80

I wonder what’s the most polished or “sanded” UI out there? You would think FAANG would have a half decent UI and UX with the amount of money they have. But anybody that has used Amazon.com or AWS, GCP, or even Azure would beg to differ. Personally, off the top of my head. The most polished UI/UX has to be “mcmaster.com”. I can find anything I need in what seems like a couple minutes. Compare this to big box stores l…

My biggest issue with mcmaster's website is that it doesn't provide any sort of navigation hierarchy - if you go into, say, the "rounded head screws" subcategory, there's no option to get back to the general "screws" category besides the browser's navigation buttons.

Re: Sanding UI

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Post by crazygringo »

aetherspawn wrote: post #83

This is so lost in Agile. Engineers should get the time to “sand” their products, but we just don’t. If QA doesn’t make a ticket for the space between, it’ll never get fixed. The customer probably notices this kind of a thing but it’s a miracle if the customer bothers to report it, and another miracle if it eventually turns into a ticket, and another miracle if someone prioritises it enough to spend time fixing it. […

What does agile have to do with anything? You think waterfall explicitly provided time to test out the UI and "sand" it?

This is a process that generally requires a product manager to choose to prioritize, together with a capable UX engineer and/or designer.

That prioritization can be inserted into any development methodology if you want it.

Agile is irrelevant here.

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Post by wordofx »

If you’re not putting the input inside the label then you’re doing it wrong.

Bootstrap changing this in v4 is no excuse to not do it.

Re: Sanding UI

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Post by meowface »

DustinBrett wrote: post #44

I've been "sanding" my personal website ( https://dustinbrett.com ) for nearly 4 years now, and it feels like it could go on forever. Luckily I enjoy working on it.

This is cool and very polished, but my advice (which may not resonate with you) is that you should channel this attitude into some user-facing app instead of letting it basically go to waste on a personal website most people won't see or won't use for more than a second or two.

Re: Sanding UI

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Post by etrautmann »

skykooler wrote: post #85
xyst wrote: post #80

I wonder what’s the most polished or “sanded” UI out there? You would think FAANG would have a half decent UI and UX with the amount of money they have. But anybody that has used Amazon.com or AWS, GCP, or even Azure would beg to differ. Personally, off the top of my head. The most polished UI/UX has to be “mcmaster.com”. I can find anything I need in what seems like a couple minutes. Compare this to big box stores l…

My biggest issue with mcmaster's website is that it doesn't provide any sort of navigation hierarchy - if you go into, say, the "rounded head screws" subcategory, there's no option to get back to the general "screws" category besides the browser's navigation buttons.

Yep, this is indeed annoying but infrequently pointed out.
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