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Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by layer8 »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #64
sigzero wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing better about "JS" over "JavaScript".

"JavaSciript" implies it's some scripting language related to Java, which was originally an idea, where it was meant to control Java Applets. But that is not a thing anymore. Thus the name makes no sense. "JS" is just a name only conflicting with my initials.

The name was exclusively chosen based on marketing considerations, to have it benefit from the Java hype of the time. It was actually called LiveScript before.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by orev »

When JavaScript was introduced, Java was already gaining traction, and the name JavaScript was chosen to ride on the coattails of that popularity. From that perspective, there’s a pretty good argument in favor of whoever holds the Java trademark, which happens to be Oracle.

I have definitely run into people who say things like “they wrote a Java script”, which actually turned out to be a Java program.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by [deleted] »

kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

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Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by worik »

criticalfault wrote: post #40

> JavaScript is the world’s most popular programming language Is this really so? I have the feeling this is 'popular' because there are no alternatives. Web is popular, this is just an accompanying disaster. There was an argument about fragmentation so people didn't want more things as option. As an answer to that there were many (?) attempts to solve problems that come with JavaScript for years, anybody remember cof…

> The only alternative that I saw that makes sense is dart

I do not think Dart was much of an improvement

When the tooling improves WASM is

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by Pet_Ant »

lucacasonato wrote: post #30
Pet_Ant wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regardless, JavaScript is now much larger than Java Curious, but in what way? Java still drive lots of enterprise and banks, and I cant' say I've seen any Node.js in the backend at any of these places.

JavaScript is the world's most popular programming language. https://www.statista.com/statistics/793628/worldwide-develop...

Sorry, but the second largest "language" on that graph is HTML/CSS. I mean that's not even a programming language.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

cxr wrote: post #53

This is a stupid non-issue. You can go ahead and call it JavaScript despite what Oracle does or doesn't say. Better yet, though: don't call it JavaScript—call it JS. "JavaScript" is and always was a dumb name. "JS" is not only fine, but better—and not because "JS" is particularly good, but because "JavaScript" itself isn't exactly hard to beat. The only thing left to do is for the spec authors (which includes signato…

Isn't the technical name ECMAScript?

What would be really cool is if the community could just rally around the original name, LiveScript… it never had anything to do with Java, let that go…

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by vlakreeh »

OptionOfT wrote: post #21

Does Oracle actually defend it? Isn't the rule behind a trademark that you actually need to enforce it? VELCRO(r) has this song about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRi8LptvFZY Edit: as I watched the video again I finally caught on the fact that RollerBlades are a brand of inline-skates. In Belgium we called them inline-skates. It's interesting to see how brands-as-identifiers change based on language and countr…

Unfortunately yes, they'll send you a C&D if you pop up on an Oracle lawyer's radar. A coworker of mine had a course named "Rust for JavaScript developers" and received a C&D from Oracle.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by saati »

elzbardico wrote: post #74
kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

“It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity! Or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop!... ever... until you are dead!”

I don't think your death stops them from going after your estate.
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