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Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by spondylosaurus »

Hasu wrote: post #65
nickff wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to this source, NYT Opinion is "Left", and NYT News is "Lean Left", and I think their ratings seem relatively well-calibrated: https://www.allsides.com/blog/see-our-updated-bias-rating-ab... You can't just look at results over the last four years when you're analyzing a newspaper that's 172 years old. They've had massive declines in recent years, which caused huge cutbacks. I think it's reasonable for them…

Their methodology is literally, "We didn't like the results we got so we assumed they were wrong and ignored them." > Surprisingly, ABC News was rated Lean Right (1.18) in the July 2024 Blind Bias Survey. A total of 478 respondents rated ABC. This rating differed from AllSides’ current rating of Lean Left (-2.40) at the time, and triggered the Aug. 2024 Editorial Review. > AllSides speculates this outlier response is…

It's wild how few people in this thread are unaware of the massive blowback the NYT has faced from the left, but I guess most people are generally not in sync with the left to begin with :P

Really telling that the NYT's attempt to please everyone has pleased almost no one, though. Progressives are angry that hate groups get airtime in the name of "objectivity". Conservatives still think it's a left-wing paper and won't read it. Liberal centrists are playing Wordle?

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by paxys »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #75
seneca wrote: post #71

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The word "exploit" has no meaning at all if you can stretch it so far as to cover NYC tech employees.

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So then nothing done by anyone throughout history can ever be considered exploitative because you can go back and point to a slightly older period in history?

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

paxys wrote: post #82
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So then nothing done by anyone throughout history can ever be considered exploitative because you can go back and point to a slightly older period in history?

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Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by cjpearson »

hungie wrote: post #42
notfried wrote: post #17

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Maintaining the site, embedding rich media content in the site, managing dynamic elements including apis, ads, etc, managing the cms software, managing payments, building customer service infrastructure, internal tools for developing and launching, security personnel, all the games, tracking engagement and reporting business metrics, building software to manage the physical processes printing and distribution of a ma…

> building customer service infrastructure

The effort here is not to be underestimated. It took years for them to implement a cancel button.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by hyperpape »

javagram wrote: post #46
oconnore wrote: post #25

As I understand it, the earliest they could actually strike would be 80 days from today, as per the Taft-Hartley act, putting the strike on November 29 (after the election). Something seems broken when a group is paid relatively fair wages ( https://www.levels.fyi/companies/the-new-york-times-company/... ), works 35 hours a week before overtime, and is talking about going on a strike. I don't think that fits with the…

NYT is the premier digital news outlet. Why should a principal SWE there get paid less than a senior SWE working on Google News, for instance? If NYT has the money it makes sense to me for the employees to ask for higher pay. What else is the original purpose of unions than to give workers power to bargain with the company?

> Why should a principal SWE there get paid less than a senior SWE working on Google News, for instance?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=google+ma...

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by paxys »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #83
paxys wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So then nothing done by anyone throughout history can ever be considered exploitative because you can go back and point to a slightly older period in history?

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Is the strike about free coffee?

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by BobaFloutist »

delichon wrote: post #5

How does one refrain from crossing the virtual picket line of such a strike? Is it to not do business with any company with this union's workers, for the duration?

They're not actually on strike yet, and they haven't requested any action from customers. Sometimes a union actually wants customers to behave as normal, because typical customer behavior in concert with a work stoppage will apply the most pressure to management. Sometimes they ask customers to boycott, to apply financial pressure. Sometimes, though rarely, a union will ask customers to threaten to divest or cancel accounts.

The best way to make sure you're in step with what the union is asking for from customers is to keep an eye on whatever they seem to be using to communicate the most - in this case, it seems to be their twitter: https://x.com/NYTGuildTech. I think it's fair to assume that if they have any requests for customers of NYT, they'll put them there.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

paxys wrote: post #87
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Is the strike about free coffee?

In a future where the world keeps getting better, would it be fair that "exploitative" could fall to such a weak use? By your logic, that would be acceptable.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

yieldcrv wrote: post #80

I think all we need to see is a compensation package equivalent to big tech or even greater, amplified by shares and the trendiest cliff for vesting, and tech unions will take off nationwide

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not. There is a huge reason big tech can afford those compensation packages for employees, and the vast majority of companies can simply not afford that.

As someone who's been both a union member and on the management side, it's frustrating when all sides don't realize that unions don't magically make money available to distribute to employees. There is certainly the argument that money needs to be distributed more equitably, but in a lot of cases (having seen this directly) there is simply not much money to move around.

Certainly, I'd love it if Google's never-ending money spigot was available to all.

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