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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by surgical_fire » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:25 AM UTC

the_real_cher wrote: post #67

shiroiushi wrote: post #63

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Because their country doesn't offer the same opportunities to achieve the things they believe they can in their new country. It's the main reason people emigrate. No one's going to build Nvidia in India or China, for instance, at least not back in the time that it was created in America.

America didn't used to be the country that offered those opportunities. Yet people built it and made it that way. Nothing is static people csn change anything These people need to do that in their own countries.

Kind of ironic, considering the whole original population of America (the whole continent) was mostly replaced by immigrants, starting some time after 1492 AD.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:27 AM UTC

shiroiushi wrote: post #78

the_real_cher wrote: post #67

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America didn't used to be the country that offered those opportunities. Yet people built it and made it that way. Nothing is static people csn change anything These people need to do that in their own countries.

The people that built it and made it that way in America were all immigrants.

I didn't know Bell labs employees Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were all immigrants

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by t43562 » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:28 AM UTC

the_real_cher wrote: post #58

echelon wrote: post #33

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The value and commensurate compensation of talent depends on location. Proximity to colleagues, decision makers, and capital.

Somebody has to sacrifice to be the first to start something like that in their own country. In America we built companies art and music out of our garages just for the love of it... not because "that's where the compensation was."

You guys move around for opportunity all the time.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:28 AM UTC

surgical_fire wrote: post #81

the_real_cher wrote: post #67

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America didn't used to be the country that offered those opportunities. Yet people built it and made it that way. Nothing is static people csn change anything These people need to do that in their own countries.

Kind of ironic, considering the whole original population of America (the whole continent) was mostly replaced by immigrants, starting some time after 1492 AD.

well in that context they were conquerors

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by surgical_fire » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:29 AM UTC

the_real_cher wrote: post #47

raverbashing wrote: post #31

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> a legacy American like Mark Cuban From Wikipedia > His paternal grandfather changed the surname from "Chabenisky" to "Cuban" after his family emigrated from Russia through Ellis Island.[14][15] His maternal grandparents were Romanian Jewish immigrants

Immigrant from Europe right? That's where everyone in America came from. Same culture, same history, same values. Western civilization seems to create high trust societies that other cultures struggle to replicate. People say America was founded on immigration which is true but they neglect to say that it was immigration FROM EUROPE. Immigrants from non-western countries weren't allowed into America en masse until th…

> That's where everyone in America came from.

Er, quite a lot came from Africa.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by pacerier » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:32 AM UTC

the_real_cher wrote: post #21

carom wrote: post #10

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I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.

doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?

But they are. Yet men being men will go where they think the money/food is.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by surgical_fire » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:32 AM UTC

the_real_cher wrote: post #84

surgical_fire wrote: post #81

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Kind of ironic, considering the whole original population of America (the whole continent) was mostly replaced by immigrants, starting some time after 1492 AD.

well in that context they were conquerors

Colonizers rather than conquerors. Colonizers are effectively migrants, by the very definition of the word.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:33 AM UTC

t43562 wrote: post #83

the_real_cher wrote: post #58

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Somebody has to sacrifice to be the first to start something like that in their own country. In America we built companies art and music out of our garages just for the love of it... not because "that's where the compensation was."

You guys move around for opportunity all the time.

Some not most

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by defrost » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:45 AM UTC

surgical_fire wrote: post #87

the_real_cher wrote: post #84

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well in that context they were conquerors

Colonizers rather than conquerors. Colonizers are effectively migrants, by the very definition of the word.

The British India Company colonisation of India was institutional colonisation.

The company remained for many generations but most (not all) individual British people stationed themselves in India and retired 'home' to England where to whence the money flowed.

Many European countries regarded their "colonies" as places to exploit for resources, places to be travelled to for work for many years, places they didn't regard as 'home'.

There's more to "colonisation" than just simple migration.

Even in Australia the early colonisation was by settler families that were part of larger stay at home families, the black sheep, wayward sons, and fortune seeking adventurers .. in Australia convicts and servant families remained, ultimately a good proportion of the underwritten (from home) settlers stayed .. but initially at least many heads of these families "returned home" to England.

In a similar manner modern USofA has many institutional "colonies" around the globe, bases they've established and never left, these rarely have permanently settled multi generational families.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by t43562 » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 9:45 AM UTC

the_real_cher wrote: post #47

raverbashing wrote: post #31

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> a legacy American like Mark Cuban From Wikipedia > His paternal grandfather changed the surname from "Chabenisky" to "Cuban" after his family emigrated from Russia through Ellis Island.[14][15] His maternal grandparents were Romanian Jewish immigrants

Immigrant from Europe right? That's where everyone in America came from. Same culture, same history, same values. Western civilization seems to create high trust societies that other cultures struggle to replicate. People say America was founded on immigration which is true but they neglect to say that it was immigration FROM EUROPE. Immigrants from non-western countries weren't allowed into America en masse until th…

Steve Jobs - Iranian? Fatih and his wife Eren Ozmen (Sierra Nevada Corporation) are Turkish. Sergey Brin... Russian?

Seems every time you try to make some fundamentally discriminatory point the definition has to keep expanding form e.g. Britain, to EUROPE to Western to whatever.

Democracy is Greek. Our counting system is Arabic. 0 is an Indian concept. etc etc etc.

Progress is just a flame and people who know they can make it happen go to where other similar people are.