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Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

eigenket wrote: post #44
throw10920 wrote: post #32

It's worth pointing out that similar stuff (although not quite as egregious) is happening in Belarus, Brazil, and even the UK.

Could you point to something happening in the UK you think is similar to this? Edit: I guess there's this [1] which free-speach maximalists would probably disagree with. Personally I think there's a line between free speech and calls to violence at which point its reasonable to prosecute people. She tweeted calling for people to set fire to buildings where migrants were being housed. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/arti…

Well we are working it.

In these riots we have charged a 12 year old orphan, sentenced 13 year old girl, jailed a guy for being “a curious observer”, and some woman for throwing water.

Previously, we have sentenced a teenager for reposting a rap song, some guy for filming his pug doing nazi salute, and charged two guys for possession of a book ‘Anarchist cookbook’

Also we have charged a woman for silent prayer.

So now I understand why a book about ‘thoughtcrime’ was written in Britain, it’s a local idea that was in the air for some time

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by throw10920 »

emmet wrote: post #72
eigenket wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you lying or misinformed? He didn't get 3 years in prison for telling people to go out and protest, he told people to “set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards”. Setting fire to a building full of people isn't a protest, it's attempted murder. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/northampton-bbc-...

They always try to be vague when the truth is difficult to defend.

You both are actively lying. I'm not talking about Tyler Kay, I'm talking about Wayne O’Rourke, whose tweets did not advocate for murder at all, let alone “set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards”. Not once did I mention Tyler. That's something you fabricated to deceive and mislead.

It's people like you that enable authoritarianism around the world by gaslighting others and justifying suppression of speech.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by Dibby053 »

Buried under the rest of the article is this, since some people only do headlines I'll copy it here for visibility:

>Shanbehzadeh was sentenced to five years for alleged pro-Israel propaganda activity, four years for insulting Islamic sanctities, two years for spreading lies online and an additional year for anti-regime propaganda.

>His lawyer, Amir Raisian, told Shargh Network, a reformist newspaper in Iran, that he would appeal the verdict, especially the accusation of pro-Israel activity. The prosecutor’s office in Ardabil alleged that Shanbehzadeh had been in contact with Israeli intelligence officers and was arrested when trying to leave the country, according to Voice of America.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by throw10920 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #81
eigenket wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you point to something happening in the UK you think is similar to this? Edit: I guess there's this [1] which free-speach maximalists would probably disagree with. Personally I think there's a line between free speech and calls to violence at which point its reasonable to prosecute people. She tweeted calling for people to set fire to buildings where migrants were being housed. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/arti…

Well we are working it. In these riots we have charged a 12 year old orphan, sentenced 13 year old girl, jailed a guy for being “a curious observer”, and some woman for throwing water. Previously, we have sentenced a teenager for reposting a rap song, some guy for filming his pug doing nazi salute, and charged two guys for possession of a book ‘Anarchist cookbook’ Also we have charged a woman for silent prayer. So no…

The UK judges have stated that they will jail passive observers of the riots as a matter of policy, so it's not just that one guy:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/09/judge-refuses-ba...

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by [deleted] »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #80

I am sure Persia is not a great place to live. But I just cant trust sources like this to not twist and contort things. And I mean at the end of the day they murder a lot less children than other regimes in the area, so it's quantifiably less evil than some middle eastern countries.

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Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

DataDive wrote: post #2

And if you dare to use Twitter in Brazil, you will be fined a year's salary. ... how authoritarianism shapes public discourse

> ... how authoritarianism shapes public discourse

See I was onboard with this reasoning until last week - we arrested the boss of Telegram and charged him with allowing illicit activity, which obviously happens on WhatsApp and other apps too. Isis was literally recruiting members on western social networks!

And we spent months discussing banning of TikTok, my major politicians in mainstream parties. so we aren’t far

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by kurthr »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #68
kurthr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't remember the effective social movements and resulting changes in society you describe coming from threats of violence (in the US). Whether it was suffrage or labor rights, the greatest power for violence was always with the status quo and not with those protesting. Often violence has brought about change in perception opposite to its intent. This was true in civil rights, gay rights, antiwar, and labor moveme…

> don't remember the effective social movements and resulting changes in society you describe coming from threats of violence (in the US). I mean there was the whole civil war thing… If a movement has millions of people, possibility of violence is implied if you piss then off enough.

Agreed, but the US Civil war wasn't started over mean tweets or nasty letters. There were armies and battlefields. The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States wasn't threatening individual lives, but simply said that some states need not respect the federal union.

Also, that threat of violence didn't lead to the success of the Confederacy, but to its destruction.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by mmmBacon »

34679 wrote: post #76

Voice of America is a US government propaganda outlet that was barred from broadcasting directly to US citizens until the Smith-Mundt Act was amended in 2013. VoA is the primary source for this article.

Seems like you are trying to discredit the source as a way to get people to question the facts. The facts are that this story has been widely reported. It’s well documented that the Iranian government persecutes and foments violence against authors critical to their regime.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

gruez wrote: post #47
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you visit a Pro North Korea/ISIS/Iran website? You are kind of paying/circumventing sanctions with potential ad revenue.

>Can you visit a Pro North Korea/ISIS/Iran website? How about the website for Iran's supreme leader[1], with headlines like "ZIONIST REGIME FACES SEVERE CONSEQUENCES FOR ITS ACTIONS"? It's not blocked in the US. [1] https://www.leader.ir/en

Is that a relevant example? I though US government was separate from Israel’s , thought lately I am less sure!

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by avodonosov »

Dibby053 wrote: post #83

Buried under the rest of the article is this, since some people only do headlines I'll copy it here for visibility: >Shanbehzadeh was sentenced to five years for alleged pro-Israel propaganda activity, four years for insulting Islamic sanctities, two years for spreading lies online and an additional year for anti-regime propaganda. >His lawyer, Amir Raisian, told Shargh Network, a reformist newspaper in Iran, that he…

I sometimes asked people on HN, what news sites they consider to be of decent quality. And npr.org was recommended several times.

Seeing this cheap manipulative article suggests they were mistaken.

PS.

Maybe his 12 years sentence is completely unjust, I don't know.

But titles like this... How about "A man is sentenced to death after having cofee for breakfast" for an article about Charles Manson? (I suppose he had cofee sometimes, so formally a true title).

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