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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by AlbertCory »

OutOfHere wrote: post #31

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Maybe look at how it's worked out in practice, instead of just giving the theory. We have a two-party system, and that's just the way it is.

https://alaskapublic.org/2024/05/29/ranked-choice-voting-tha...

Gamesmanship: Alaska is a red state. Only RCV would result in a Dem being elected.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/alaska-ranked-choice-voting-mary...

(not on archive, sorry. Here's the relevant part)

Republicans have learned from what happened last time, when they remained split. Looking only at first-choice votes in the 2022 special election that Ms. Peltola won, she had 40.2%. The GOP’s contenders, Sarah Palin and Mr. Begich, had 31.3% and 28.5%, respectively. Under the RCV rules, Mr. Begich was eliminated, and his supporters were reshuffled to their subsequent preferences. Enough of them didn’t like Ms. Palin that the victory went to Ms. Peltola, with 51.5%.

Strangely, though, this result was sensitive to the order of elimination, meaning that the final No. 1 depended on who was the initial No. 3. If Ms. Palin had been dropped instead, a strong majority of her ballots would have gone to Mr. Begich, who would have beaten Ms. Peltola.

Not only that, he’d have won about 52.5%, a bigger victory than Ms. Peltola’s ranked-choice majority. Doesn’t that seem . . . odd? What if some Democrats ranked Ms. Palin first on their ballots to ensure that the most polarizing GOP opponent made the final round?

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by toofy »

scoofy wrote: post #49
debacle wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guido did that for a long time, but I think he reached a point where he wanted to transition.

Again, I would prefer he retain an unused veto. Who knows, perhaps he's entirely fine with his comment being removed. The benefits of a sovereign are that they limit the amount of privileges that can be extracted from an political system. Obviously monarchs have their downsides, but if people can just up and fork the project, those downsides are limited.

a wannabe king is more than welcome to fork this project as it sits, right now, today. and they can be as non-democratic as they want with their own little fifedom.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by zitterbewegung »

krick wrote: post #65
EvanAnderson wrote: post #5

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I'm an outsider who only knows Guido van Rossum by way of interviews his writing. Assuming your quote is what the original text said (I don't disbelieve you-- but nobody can see it to confirm) why would this have violated community standards? Is there some rule about not mentioning "un-persons" or something? It's very confusing. Edit: Answering my own question. There appears to be a kerfuffle afoot. Apparently the St…

That's kinda nuts, but kinda absolutely in line with all trends of the last 5 years. I remember similar shit happening in Linux community (the shit won, naturally). But, anyway, who is the "Steering Council" and how come they have more influence than the 2 people who basically created python the language and python the community?

When Guido stopped being the sole leader (BDFL) he was replaced by the steering council which is elected and has the purpose of doing the following (Defined in PEP 13 which is the current governance model of Python. Right now Guido is a core developer at this time. See https://peps.python.org/pep-0013/#the-steering-council

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by zellyn »

potsandpans wrote: post #44

This kind of drama seems to exist very specifically to programming language design and implementation. Probably has something to do with the codified formal structures necessary for various committees/ decision making groups. But it's interesting. This kind of stuff happens in ECMA, Rust, Python and a few others. Go seems to have escaped. Maybe because it's a corporate owned Lang? Similarly no drama in the Typescript…

A prominent and influential Go developer was effectively banned for life from Go community forums some years back. I honestly don't remember enough of the details to have a clear opinion on whether it was ultimately warranted, but I still feel sad that it happened when I think about it from time to time. The fact that it's legitimately unwise to discuss and decide CoC violations in public can make the resulting disappearances relatively invisible.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by PaulHoule »

mindslight wrote: post #56
dllthomas wrote: post #48

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It's not just how much information you extract, but also what you do with that information. RCV, in the most common form of IRV, has a problem that I think is relevant. If we accept the truism that the appropriate compromise won't be anyone's first choice, then the very first thing IRV does is throw out any appropriate compromise, leaving it to make a decision between inappropriate options. I think we need to be more…

Yeah, it's painful seeing all the enthusiasm IRV gets. I've come to the conclusion it's how people think they want to be able to express support for third party candidates due to their frustration with the current system, but not actually seeing down the line to what happens when non-duopoly options gain some popularity. Basically it's still hopelessly wed to the two party model after the less-popular third parties a…

I think the worst thing about U.S. national elections is that the winner of the electoral vote might not be the winner of the popular vote. Whether or not that is right is beside the point but anything complicated about the results that make them hard to understand will subtract legitimacy. I’d go so far to say that the system will not survive if we got several elections where one particular party consistently loses one vote but wins other.

The last thing we need, seen through that lens, is a complex system where people don’t understand the results or how exactly their vote will affect those results.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by yarg »

khazhoux wrote: post #75
yarg wrote: post #46

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You are making a general point, but does it apply specifically? Here's the Python Code of Conduct for communication on official Python forums, and comm+behavior at official Python events: https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct What specific items do you disagree with? * The top section "Our Community" is just general stuff like "be respectful." Is that a problem? * The list of "Inappropriate Behavior"…

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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by lupire »

oblvious-earth wrote: post #2

The original text stated: > I don’t know much about voting systems, but I know someone who does. Unfortunately he’s currently banned. Maybe we can wait until his 3-month ban expires and ask him for advice? Currently, the text reads: > This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden. Since it has been hidden for more than 24 hours, this suggests that a moderator action has marked it as permanently hid…

Your two versions of the title say the same thing.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by yarg »

canadianfella wrote: post #64
yarg wrote: post #46

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Try posting something critical of the cult on r/conservative. There’s nothing uniquely leftist about censorship.

I can't; I got permabanned from the site for hate speech.

What did I say? That it's unfair for men to compete in women's sports and that TRAs use bad faith tactics like deplatforming as a means to silence their critics and avoid debate.

The weaponisation of censorship is predominantly a far left tactic.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by userbinator »

yarg wrote: post #46
mc32 wrote: post #17

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What the hell, has everyone caught and gone gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f*** is this? How in the hell do you have the balls or ovaries to ban the creator --for something so inane. It's like a highscool supe who gets no respect and will at every chance show you the little power she has in such a classless way. So utterly petty defying belief. I hope those dweebs get voted out pronto. That's an absurd abuse…

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It's starting to swing back already, as people are beginning to realise where this ~decade of identity-over-competence is leading us.
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