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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by kkfx »

Many people outside AND INSIDE France still have not much understood that the current government have transformed a step at a time the Republic in a ready-for-a-full-coup fascist state, for those who can read french I suggest trying:

- https://www.senat.fr/leg/tas22-148.pdf page 43 bottom, or searching "réquisition de toute personne"

- https://www.senat.fr/leg/pjl22-569.pdf with a good intervention from an LFI MEP, Ugo Bernalicis who is DEFINITIVELY worth to hear https://youtu.be/PDG9V01jPUs

Just to cite the relatively recent more stunning move. But there was many in the less recent past (starting from police surveillance, impunity and so on) not counting the current delay to DENIED the last legislative elections results...

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by mmsc »

Just think: all the companies that do illegal shit and get slaps on the wrist with a few thousand/million dollar fines. That's the only "consequence" for the executives that blew up the economy in 2008, the politicians that are in cahoots with company executives to funnel money into their pockets, the companies that spy on their own employees without due diligence or cause, the producers of products that knowingly cause cancer, the producers of medicine that knowingly destroys lives, the decision-makers that destroy engineering standards resulting in airplanes falling from the skies with hundreds of helpless people being blown to pieces, and the companies that destroy the planet with actions that can never be reversed.

And instead they arrest the CEO of a company that provides a mechanism for people to talk to one another.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by gtvwill »

codedokode wrote: post #65
gtvwill wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But here's the thing. If your app is known to be uses heavily by criminals ranging from Pedo's to drug dealers. You are liable. You run a carrier service. Much like the owner of omegle found out, yes you do have a duty of care. You can't just provide a service that knowingly provides a platform to criminal activity and do jack shit. You live in fairytale land if you think you can.

What do you mean by "knowingly providing a service to a criminal"? Is Elon Mask then guilty for providing access to Twitter for Trump?

Well much like the owner of omegle found out you can't provide platforms for criminal activities and make no effort to curb it. It only takes a 30 second google before you find telegram rooms offering all kinds of illegal stuff. You don't find that on Twitter. Twitter is atleast mildly moderated. Telegram could have moderation built in to catch illegal activities but it chooses to do nothing. See the difference?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by chad1n »

gtvwill wrote: post #55
vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

But here's the thing. If your app is known to be uses heavily by criminals ranging from Pedo's to drug dealers. You are liable. You run a carrier service. Much like the owner of omegle found out, yes you do have a duty of care. You can't just provide a service that knowingly provides a platform to criminal activity and do jack shit. You live in fairytale land if you think you can.

You realize that every social media/forum/messaging app should be banned then and every CEO in jail. Bad actors will use anything they can.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by vizzah »

chad1n wrote: post #53
vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Private chats are a hassle to initiate and not multi-device.

Most use normal chats.

With anonymous accounts, using anonymous +888 numbers, whose price has increased from $16 to $1000+ in a matter of a year, it is indeed a very convenient playground for all sorts of activities.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by [deleted] »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #75
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Are they going to arrest Zuckerberg and Tim Cook next for the encryption in WhatsApp and iMessage?

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by crote »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #75
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Are they going to arrest Zuckerberg and Tim Cook next for the encryption in WhatsApp and iMessage?

What makes you believe those do not have backdoors for Western powers?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by verisimi »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #75
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Are they going to arrest Zuckerberg and Tim Cook next for the encryption in WhatsApp and iMessage?

Perhaps they already have backdoors, but don't tell everyone.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by mdhb »

codedokode wrote: post #70

They claim that criminals use Telegram, but it is not the best choice for doing crime because Telegram requires a phone number to sign up, and a phone number can be linked to identity and full location history (telcos record full location history for every number). However, Telegram might be involved in cooperating with criminals; for example by not deleting channels related to protests against government at govt's r…

You seem to be rather confused about the current thinking and capabilities of criminal groups.

Requiring a phone number most certainly isn’t some fool proof method in the way you are claiming.

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