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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

enriquec wrote: post #53
thor-rodrigues wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your line of thought. The question with Kim was not about open-source, was about copyright and intellectual property all along. As other comments noted, the man literally made millions distributing copyrighted material, while completely aware of what he was doing.

no. he gave people a way to send stuff and they sent what they wanted.

Have you read the indictment? It makes a pretty strong case that he knew copyright infringement was the cash cow of his business model, structuring the business and lying to copyright holders in order to make the infringement more effective. Deleting links without removing the infringing content from the server is the big smoking gun to me - there’s really no legitimate reason to do that.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

popcalc wrote: post #8
wepple wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not categorize him as “small folk like us”

Agree. "Two weeks later on 20 January, Dotcom, Finn Batato, Mathias Ortmann and Bram van der Kolk were arrested in Coatesville, New Zealand by the New Zealand Police, in an armed raid on Dotcom's house involving 76 officers and two helicopters. Seized assets included eighteen luxury cars, large TVs, works of art and US$175 million in cash. Dotcom's bank accounts were frozen, denying him access to 64 bank accounts wor…

Assuming $100 bills, that's nearly two tons of cash. (3800 pounds.)

Definitely not "small folk like us".

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by herculity275 »

finikytou wrote: post #43
herculity275 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment you're responding to just speculates that he will escape to Russia based on his (very consistent) views and activism, there's no suggestion that he should go to prison because of them.

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> there is definitly a suggestion and I would even say more than that. the OP comment literaly says he is on the payroll of russia lol

Being on Russian payroll is not a criminal offense, there are plenty of RT-affiliated journalists who still operate in the West.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by snapcaster »

thor-rodrigues wrote: post #46
finikytou wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sad to see that kind of comments in HN. I feel that 10 years ago there was more room for accepting that a political opponent should be free to speak up. now our educated masses are pushing for prison and extradition because they don't belong to the axis of good.... you def cannot be for opensource and its values and say things like that

I don't understand your line of thought. The question with Kim was not about open-source, was about copyright and intellectual property all along. As other comments noted, the man literally made millions distributing copyrighted material, while completely aware of what he was doing.

people used to be embarrassed in forums like this about being so pro-government. Tech has been completely captured by normies

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by DSingularity »

popcalc wrote: post #8
wepple wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not categorize him as “small folk like us”

Agree. "Two weeks later on 20 January, Dotcom, Finn Batato, Mathias Ortmann and Bram van der Kolk were arrested in Coatesville, New Zealand by the New Zealand Police, in an armed raid on Dotcom's house involving 76 officers and two helicopters. Seized assets included eighteen luxury cars, large TVs, works of art and US$175 million in cash. Dotcom's bank accounts were frozen, denying him access to 64 bank accounts wor…

Please. It fits his personality perfectly to do something like keep all his money in cash.

If he was a drug lord or if he was even remotely connected to malicious security services he would have been long taken by force. New Zealand is a close US ally.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by defrost »

josefresco wrote: post #32
tedk-42 wrote: post #21

As an Aussie observer, I'm seeing more US influence in our region. With some 'diplomacy', Julian Assange was brought home after near 15 years fighting for BS extradition charges. The news and politicians in Australia follow almost lock step with whatever our US overlords allow us to say. It's been more of a thing lately with them trying to secure the pacific away from China's sphere of influence and the biggest 'dumb…

In your opinion why is the submarine deal/F-35 program "totally useless" for Australia? Are you saying it's the wrong equipment? Too expensive? Not needed?

All those reasons and more. Strategically bad move, we did okay in the middle.

You don’t have to be a Sinophile to know Keating’s right about AUKUS

alt-headline: Paul Keating is right, AUKUS will turn Australia into US protectorate

    The ex-PM is the only person offering a convincing explanation of AUKUS. And it's a damning one.
webcache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https%...

subscription: https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/13/paul-keating-aukus-aust...

On the economics | robustness of the deal:

    This deal is getting worse all the time.

    Courtesy of the latest details of the AUKUS agreement tabled yesterday in Parliament, we now know that the moment it becomes inconvenient for the Americans or the Brits, there’ll be no submarines for Australia:

    Cooperation under the agreement is to be carried out in such a manner as to not adversely affect the ability of the United States and the United Kingdom to meet their respective military requirements and to not degrade their respective naval nuclear propulsion programs.

    Those programs, as even ardent defenders of the program admit, are already pretty degraded. The Americans have shifted from building two Virginia-class boats a year to one this year, and delayed the construction of the next generation of nuclear submarines by five years to 2040. The new generation Dreadnought-class boats under construction in the UK have suffered serious delays and astonishing cost blowouts.

    Somehow, with around $10 billion of Australian cash, both programs will come good, to the point they can build boats for the US and UK, and for Australia, and help Australia build its own. It’s normal for defence policy to double as heavy manufacturing policy, and Australia has a rich history of wasting billions making things here that we could have bought far cheaper from other countries. Where AUKUS is unusual is that Australia will be using its defence policy as heavy manufacturing policy for the US and UK as well

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

thor-rodrigues wrote: post #46
finikytou wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sad to see that kind of comments in HN. I feel that 10 years ago there was more room for accepting that a political opponent should be free to speak up. now our educated masses are pushing for prison and extradition because they don't belong to the axis of good.... you def cannot be for opensource and its values and say things like that

I don't understand your line of thought. The question with Kim was not about open-source, was about copyright and intellectual property all along. As other comments noted, the man literally made millions distributing copyrighted material, while completely aware of what he was doing.

On the other hand, the straming/video 'services', are literally stealing stuff you bought from them. How is that better? If there's a "buy"/"purchase" button, the movie is yours... it's not a "rent" button, where they can take it away whenever they want.

Kim is a modern day robin hood. Illegal, criminal, yada yada? Sure. Is he "bad" for the people? Well... that's very debatable.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by Log_out_ »

tedk-42 wrote: post #45
josefresco wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In your opinion why is the submarine deal/F-35 program "totally useless" for Australia? Are you saying it's the wrong equipment? Too expensive? Not needed?

Not needed. It's tax payer money down the toilet. But hey I'm a pacifist and will be told that I'm a weak man who will lead to the downfall of civilisation so oh well.

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by defrost »

scrapcode wrote: post #66
tedk-42 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not needed. It's tax payer money down the toilet. But hey I'm a pacifist and will be told that I'm a weak man who will lead to the downfall of civilisation so oh well.

Well, ya know - it could be. Not needed until they are... risk management. Most should hope that their weapons are never "needed."

We already had an order in for convential working subs from the French .. now we're on the hook for more money and less of a guarantee they'll ever arrive.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by spiderfarmer »

tedk-42 wrote: post #45
josefresco wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In your opinion why is the submarine deal/F-35 program "totally useless" for Australia? Are you saying it's the wrong equipment? Too expensive? Not needed?

Not needed. It's tax payer money down the toilet. But hey I'm a pacifist and will be told that I'm a weak man who will lead to the downfall of civilisation so oh well.

I'm a pacifist at heart, but I'm not blind to the fact that a single digit percentage of humans (in every country) are just plain evil (in lots of ways). These people can do harm without any feelings of remorse. And a double digit percentage of humanity can easily be manipulated into being / doing evil.

Our current, imperfect, civilisation exists because we largely succeed in keeping the whims of these minorities under control. It's a depressing thought, but if I don't accept it, I'll be disappointed in humanity on a daily basis.

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