It's an incredible security risk to have asked my address, work history, contact info, sometimes my SSN and demographics, and have me trust that you won't have that leaked. I have immediately closed applications asking for a SSN. You know you are going to reject all but one of the candidates. Why are you hoarding this PII? Is it just an implicit way to reject immigrants? Also the ones that ask for sexual preference (…
> Also the ones that ask for sexual preference (or however it is worded to get you to say straight/gay/other). The goal is to hire someone other than a pedestrian straight white male, of course. They can't outright say it.
A network engineer in search of greener pastures
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Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Also the ones that ask for sexual preference (or however it is worded to get you to say straight/gay/other). The goal is to hire someone other than a pedestrian straight white male, of course. They can't outright say it.
That's actually not true. At a certain size of company and especially if the company does work for the federal government they are required to gather demographic information to ensure they are trying to not just have a bunch of white dudes applying for their job. Those questions should not influence the hiring process at all (if they do then it's illegal since those are protected traits). If you don't want to answer…
Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures
#83Not to step on the authors toes, but it’s not the job searching that is broken - it’s the market that has shifted to favor companies and to put applicants at a disadvantage, something that hasn’t happened in the IT field for a long time. People reject candidates without a college degree because they can afford to - they still have plenty of applicants to pick from after filtering out the rest. There is no need for th…
There's that but there's also this: > However, after heading over to Y Combinator to check out startup jobs, I was again frustrated by the findings. YC Jobs has a category for Engineering, but it's all software. There's a category for Operations, but it's all CEO, CTO, management positions. After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/enginee…
It's rare to find definitional SWEs in these spaces and when you do you should cling to them. Even then, it's hard to resist the urge to revert back to ops because toil is somewhat addicting to companies.
Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures
#84Not to step on the authors toes, but it’s not the job searching that is broken - it’s the market that has shifted to favor companies and to put applicants at a disadvantage, something that hasn’t happened in the IT field for a long time. People reject candidates without a college degree because they can afford to - they still have plenty of applicants to pick from after filtering out the rest. There is no need for th…
There's that but there's also this: > However, after heading over to Y Combinator to check out startup jobs, I was again frustrated by the findings. YC Jobs has a category for Engineering, but it's all software. There's a category for Operations, but it's all CEO, CTO, management positions. After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/enginee…
They never existed.
Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures
#85When I was in college, we had CyberCoders, which was a job search engine.
Then we got Monster, which was a job search engine.
Then we got Indeed, which is...a job search engine.
I do think a good job search engine could solve many of these issues:
1. You should only have to enter your info once, except for certain job- or application-specific items.
2. Inaccurate listings should be removed. If you miscategorize your non-remote position as remote, you should be removed/penalized, same as an Etsy seller would be if they listed polyester sheets as linen.
3. Email delivery would be a non-issue.
But what it's always comes down for me is stuff like his "security clearance required; you can't get security clearance without a job" (change it to "experience" and it applies to most new grads), and the fact that the biggest things are intangibles.
The best way to get a job is to know someone who's worked with you in the past and can say "yeah, I like working with this person". You can't automatically filter for attitude, or communication skills, or productivity. Do you know python? Cool. Are you going to show ownership of your projects, though? Are people going to find you easy to work with? Will you meet deadlines? Can you make good time estimates and properly negotiate deadlines? (Similarly, how can an applicant vet the company culture around these and other intangibles?)
I don't know how a startup would fix these problems, but I hope someone figures it out and builds it soon. We should be able to dramatically improve hiring, both for companies and applicants/employees.
Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures
#86* Its been about 3-weeks since the author was laid off. Personally, I would expect that being close to a job offer from cold intros in that time frame could also signal a broken job market.
* Quick rejections are a good thing.
* Resume screening tools are a necessity for HR. Candidates robo apply for positions that they do not qualify for (such as requiring clearance)
* There are jobs that will sponsor security clearances, but those tend to go recent grads. The expectation is that for more senior positions you already have a clearance.
* Startups and networking engineers: you really dont need networking specialists my guy. AWS and the other pickme IaaS platforms have made it trivial to get code in the hands of customers,that your company can operate for years without needing to invest in dedicated sysadmins.
* AI is losing candidates, however there enough candidates that it does not matter. The issue is that there are too many candidates, and just not enough time to screen them all. False negatives is not an issue when you get 100's of resumes.
Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures
#87> I've got a lot of skills - video production, security, Linux, Mikrotiks, Ciscos, virtualization, cloud, domains, DNS, the list goes on and on.
Based on this gumbo of skills (why is there "video production?" And what does even "virtualization" and "cloud" mean in this context?), I would have 0 confidence in the candidate.
> My homelab is probably bigger than some businesses and it's taught me a lot. Even got an SD-WAN site to site VPN set up to my parent's house so they can watch movies off my home Plex server
This gives me a bit more confidence about the candidate, but setting up a VPN is not really a complex task. Is that all there is to the "big homelab?"
> With a fresh CCNA cert in hand, and a CompTIA Security+ to back it up, finding a network or security job should be no problem at all.
CCNA and CompTIA are junior-level certifications. Having a "Security+" cert means nothing if you have no experience in security to back it up.
I don't mean this negatively, but either OP is overestimating their abilities, or is vastly underselling them.
Writing a good CV is a skill... Learn it, or pay someone to do it for you.
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#88> I need to obtain a job that requires a clearance, and the job has to "sponsor" the application for the clearance, before I can get one. Well, this is a catch-22, since I can't obtain a job without a clearance, and I can't get a clearance without a job. Although I'm qualified for these jobs(sometimes overqualified), I can't have them, because of this paradoxical security clearance. Most jobs that require a clearance…
Some companies are willing to do this, or they might make an offer contingent on receiving a clearance, or they have an arrangement with their sponsoring agency where they can begin unclassified work while waiting on their clearance.
Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures
#89What does that mean? At a minimum, there should be much more strict enforcement of prevailing wage pay for immigrant labor.
The H1B should be used to hire experts which can’t be found in the US, not to chop the floor out of the market. There’s no reason Zoom should be able to hire an “AI Scientist” for 75k, but they can because no one is checking. And they did.
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Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> After searching and searching I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/engineer lines. How on earth are all these startups operating without a network person? You don't have someone running your server or your VPN? For smaller companies the answer is: "VPN admin is just one of many hats that a given generalist might wear" It would be very costly to pay a FTE just fo…
> a given generalist might wear That generalist is your SRE/DevOps/Cloud Engineer in most cases. This is why companies try to be increasingly cloud first - you can have 1 person do 3 jobs at once.
Even once you get a little bit bigger, I lean towards having a few generalists who wear more hats over breaking out a hat and putting it on a team of one.