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OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by woopsn »

> Getting answers on the web can take a lot of effort, often requiring multiple attempts to get relevant results.

Don't get me wrong, search has become extremely problematic, ... but how much effort does it take really? Compared to writing a letter, reading a map, walking half a mile etc?

The google results for "music festivals in boone north carolina august" are completely adequate. If not then you search again, sure. What makes that "a lot of effort" compared to "asking follow-up questions like you would in a conversation"?

According to Sequoia Capitol there is a $600B hole in this sector at the moment, which continues to grow.[1] They need to invent something akin to the global smartphone market, over the next 2-4 years. Some thing new that solves significant problems for people that aren't already solved for free.

[1] https://www.sequoiacap.com/article/ais-600b-question/

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by wilg »

jsheard wrote: post #45
blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

> I'm glad that most of them seem to respect robots.txt. https://github.com/ai-robots-txt/ai.robots.txt/blob/main/tab... Some of them identify themselves by user agent but don't respect robots.txt, so you have to set up your server to 403 their requests to keep them out. If they start obfuscating their user agents then there won't be an easy solution besides deferring to a platform like CloudFlare which offers to pla…

If I were making a search engine or AI crawler, I would simply pose as Googlebot

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by paxys »

tptacek wrote: post #7

So, Google already does this, right? And most of the feedback I've seen is: "how the hell do we turn this off".

Bing has been doing this for a while, using GPT-4. I don't see how OpenAI can substantially improve on that experience.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by gwervc »

This is in a way very good, as it will be another differentiator between smart people and others: average Joe will indulge himself in hallucinations while a few will retain the knowledge of querying a search engine, citing a source and critically think of what they read.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by HaZeust »

sonium wrote: post #42

The fact that OpenAI is releasing a fancy UI instead of an improved model says something. I'm afraid GPT-5 won't be there any time soon.

Probably because the benchmarks with higher models are, at this time, negligible. Increasing transformers and iterating attention might be a dead-stop for more capable models beyond 2T parameters. But, I'm not sure.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by [deleted] »

nicce wrote: post #77
wseqyrku wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the case, I think it's fair to say that we can skip websites and just host a service that chatgpt can talk to. If you're a restaurant, user can actually order right from the chat. or voice.

> If you're a restaurant, user can actually order right from the chat. or voice. So, instead of giving 30% fee for DoorDash or Wolt about visibility, we start giving that fee for "some-AI-search-tool", and they don't allow selling food cheaper than you get by using the AI search process ordering. I don't like this era.

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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by asddubs »

skydhash wrote: post #14

Search engines for me is keyword based. I want to type "pizza near " or " " and get sensible result. Anytime a search engines tries to interpret my query with something far semantically and ignoring my own keywords, it's a worse experience.

you end up searching for a pub called graphite and get 10000 results about graphite bars because it's a more common term and bar = pub, right? contrived example but that seems to happen to me every other month at least

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by viraptor »

benreesman wrote: post #48
MattDaEskimo wrote: post #11

I really dislike this as OpenAI has spent the past months signing sweetheart deals with any publisher willing to sell their content for training data. It ties everything to their platform and returns a regurgitation of prioritized content without indicating any sort of sponsorship. SEO will be replaced by cold hard cash, favors, and backroom deals

If no one else does it soon I'll probably do it myself: we're long overdue for the ad-block of LLM output. I want a browser plugin that nukes it at the DOM, and I don't care how many false positives it has.

You can't detect LLM output with any reasonable rate. You'd have both false positives and false negatives all over the place. If you solve that part on its own, that will be a SOTA method.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by jpcookie »

mikepurvis wrote: post #49
jpcookie wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I clearly would not. "Slow down your site" because information is super useful when you can't search it properly.

Sites might exist for reasons other than to "be useful". At a bare minimum, they may be trying to sell eyeballs to advertisers, but they also might be trying to deliver an experience, induce some deeper engagement, make a sale, build a community, whatever. All of that disappears when a bot devours whatever it assesses to be your "content" and then serves it up as a QA response, stripped of any of the surrounding cont…

Because reading nonsense inside an infinite debatable context is fun. I know what you're talking about and frankly I'm not impressed.

You know why people like these chat systems? Because it straight up saves time. When a system is made it to indexable, "context dependent", and "creating a certain experience" it just begs to be summarized and made to be something you can use. That interpretable work is.... Pointlessly difficult.

A good example: discord. A vast number of communities are designed to be "experiences" where you have to pour hours of your time to adapt to their little fiefdoms if you wanted to obtain any useful information in the form of important information on a topic. Try doing this in any serious fashion and you will quickly be wasting more of your time than you want.

Yeah so maybe chatgpt gives you the occasional incorrect fact. I haven't had that happen in any way, shape, or form. Furthermore: just be critical of your information. Not hard, and they are already working on fixing that.

Especially for people that are bonafide adults time is worth more than "the pride of human work".

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