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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by mbrubeck »

basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

The US has by far the world’s largest ex-Cuban population (well over 1M people). Those communities are a big part of what shapes US perceptions and policy toward Cuba.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by SR2Z »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #75
basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

Most Americans don’t think about Cuba at all, and it definitely isn’t in the news very much (as far as I know, I cut most TV years ago). However, there are lots of Batista supporters and their descendants in Florida. They are politically influential given Florida is an important swing state.

The title of the article is literally that 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023. Are they Batista supporters too?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by brigadier132 »

LtWorf wrote: post #74
brigadier132 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you own anything of value? What about your family? Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?

Ah. So uk should sanction the whole USA, on account of that revolution that costed some people something?

They did and it took a war and a long time for relations to be reestablished

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by bee_rider »

vundercind wrote: post #27
wkat4242 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.

A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

Florida was relevant in US elections. When was the last time it was up for grabs?

It is actually interesting, a state converting to single-party rule significantly reduces the electoral leverage it has.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by fdsafdsafdsfsd »

basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

Maybe ask the Cubans who left the country?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by bonzini »

InTheArena wrote: post #64
readthenotes1 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wouldn't it make sense for the U.S. to invest and help Cuba?" Part of the reason Cuba is in the shape it's in is because of previous US investment and "help".

That stopped being true 70 years ago, and it was the withdrawal of American aid that brought Castro to power (he still pretended to care about human rights then).

"Aid" is a bit of an understatement considering that Castro was fighting against the US-and mafia-backed dictator (Fulgencio Batista). The withdrawal of American support to Batista happened because the corruption and violence had reached unsustainable levels even for an anti-communist.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by joecool1029 »

martindbp wrote: post #77
basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

> With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your country's media and propaganda can significantly colour your opinions. What? 10% of a country leaving in one year tells you what Cubans think of Cuba. That's not propaganda, that's fact. On the contrary, it seems like you have some kind of preconceived notion of that life in Cuba is in fact not…

> but if that were true people would not leave would they?

Not to dig into whataboutism but the same could really be said about the US's island possessions: https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/10/census-pacific-us-territor...

Fact is populations will leave if they see chance at a better life elsewhere, even if they aren't living in an active warzone or under some some government the US doesn't like.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by snowpid »

basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

On German media (including heavy left leaning Taz) you find various reports about human right issues in Cuba. It's a typical socialist dictatorship doomed to fail as its predecessors.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by bee_rider »

stefan_ wrote: post #17
giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

I wonder what a sensible way forward for Cubans is, and their government. What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. Cuba would be a great travel destination. Their cigars aren't as on par anymore as far as I know, but there's potential there, Nicara…

> What would it take for the US to lift sanctions Florida to stop being a swing state? We are almost there..

I have only seen Florida disappoint Democratic candidates. It is a trick state. Should basically be ignored.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by logicchains »

inglor_cz wrote: post #58
paleotrope wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cuba would be quite a desirable place to live if it wasn't a socialist authoritarian state

As the old joke from behind the Iron Curtain said... Q: "What would happen in Saudi Arabia if Communism triumphed there?" A: "First, shortage of oil, later, shortage of sand." Edit: for all the downvoters, shortages were our daily lived experience when I was a kid. I still remember chasing such rare stuff as "kid's sneakers" or "toilet paper". And Czechoslovakia was still better off than neighbouring Poland, where yo…

It's funny because Saudi Arabia's neighbour Yemen is the only gulf state that had a (Soviet-sponsored) socialist government, and maybe not entirely coincidentally is an order of magnitude poorer than the other gulf states, and has done a terrible job of tapping its oil resources.
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