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MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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I have been a Windows user my whole life. As a hacker who has recently moved to San Francisco, I've continuously battled Apple fanboys and Linux fanatics alike on why I love Windows and absolutely do not understand why people want to switch platforms. Then I watched this keynote. I'm buying a Macbook Pro.

Could you be specific about what swayed you? I'm not sure what is so new, announced today, that you couldn't have bought yesterday: Retina? Will you continue to run Windows?

I'm not usually a 'specs' person, but have you read about Ivy Bridge?

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Being a non-native resolution, it would look awful.

It would be native, it'd be 1:1.

No, there are 2880x1800 pixels. If you want to use the full screen to show 1920x1080, you are non-native and the math doesn't even out since there aren't half pixels. Now if they had gone 3840x2160...

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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I have been a Windows user my whole life. As a hacker who has recently moved to San Francisco, I've continuously battled Apple fanboys and Linux fanatics alike on why I love Windows and absolutely do not understand why people want to switch platforms. Then I watched this keynote. I'm buying a Macbook Pro.

I run Windows on my MBA for when I'm travelling. Apple make fantastic hardware; but their saccharine UIs make me retch. One constant, though: over the past 10 years, I've moved my life further and further into the Cygwin command line, so that I'm insulated from the frippery going on at the edges; with my setup, I'm approximately as at home on Linux, Solaris, Mac and Windows. I'm not optimistic based on what I've seen…

Out of curiosity, if you're comfortable with Linux and do a lot of work in a Cygwin environment, what are your reasons for running Windows as your MBA's main OS rather than a Linux flavor?

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Speaking as a Windows user who uses a Mac for dev on iOS: you will be frustrated by Mac OS, at least initially. I've been using Mac OS daily for over a year and I still find Windows superior in many ways. This is my opinion, of course. Not trying to change minds or trolling. That retina display is dead sexy though.

I love my Mac (as I said in my reply to OP), but I agree that Mac OS takes some getting used to. Luckily I had some Linux experience before switching so I felt right at home at the terminal. But some things still feel odd to me, even after several years. - The unified menu bar makes sense and saves space, but it's still somewhat disconcerting to someone who is used to their menus having some spatial context with what…

power-users don't use the finder. They use something like quicksilver or alfred.

I'm thinking regular users don't use the finder either. My wife uses spotlight to find her stuff and apps.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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I don't want a "Retina display", I want a true 1920x1080 on my 15" MBP. Apple is trying to impose that density is the same thing as resolution, which is not. A "Retina display" of 2880x1800 is just a "better" 1440x900. Give me the option to choose between double pixels and real pixels and I'll buy thee.

I'm having the same concern. I use all 1920 x 1200 in my standard workflow. I'm concerned about the lack of a 17" model, as this screen's physical width is just about the minimum that can support two side by side pages at comfortable reading font sizes. Pixel density is high enough already that I'm not persuaded more pixels will make smaller fonts any more comfortable, and 15" simply doesn't approximate two 8.5" x 11" pages side by side no matter what the resolution is. (Put two 8.5" x 11" pages over your 17" MBP screen; note they only hang off the edge by about a half inch.)

Full screen apps with the magic pad swipe between them mitigates this somewhat for apps like Mail, Sublime Text, or Terminal, but 1440 x 900 is a poor choice for dual page word processing.

That said, after development, my second most common activity is photo triage and editing. For this, the 15" retina display could present a far truer representation of what can be expected in the final print.

But I'm concerned about the "less glare" feature. I've also always and only purchased the matte screens. They have no glare, and no false brilliance from the glossy screen. For photo editing for print work, the matte screens have always felt more accurate. I'm curious if they've gone to a single screen surface, based on glossy, but with somewhat less glare. I'm not sure I'd be interested in that.

On the plus side, a MBP 17" only fits in carry on bags that can't quite go in a commuter jet's overhead bin, while the 15" will fit easily in most any commuter jet compatible bag.

That said, the iPad 3 64GB with iPhoto and SnapSeed can ingest and edit a great deal of photos even at today's DSLR resolutions. On recent trips, I carry an iPad 3 plus a Nextodi external portable photo HDD with integrated card reader. I edit one day's worth of photos on the iPad, while archiving the full memory cards on the Nextodi.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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> Microsoft is so rudderless and ill-directed now, and Apple is so large and in charge Uhh, are you joking? In the past few years, Microsoft has shown the most direction in 2 decades. Windows, Windows Phone, and Xbox are all converging on the Metro UI (which is a true breath of fresh air), and Microsoft has finally stopped allowing big business to hold back innovation on Windows. Windows 8 dumps the Start Menu, and o…

I have no interest in such a discussion in this thread, but no, clearly I'm not joking and that rhetorical intro has no place on HN. Microsoft is a disaster currently, their navigation being "react to where Apple was two years ago". It is telling that every Microsoft defense extrapolates some fantastic future of what will be in the world of Microsoft, never using what actually is. But yes, I'm sure your imagination o…

Over the past 10 or so years Microsoft has been a behemoth moving glacially on whatever inertia it had left. Recently, it seems like the behemoth is starting to regain control of itself and is demonstrating independent movement.

Sure; they're nowhere near being as focused purposeful as Apple is, but you can no longer say they are truly stuck in their ways. Whether that will translate into something tangible is another question, but it's hard to deny that something fundamental isn't changing at Microsoft.

Heck, I can't even honestly diss people's Windows mobile phones anymore, and that's nothing to sneeze at.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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I don't want a "Retina display", I want a true 1920x1080 on my 15" MBP. Apple is trying to impose that density is the same thing as resolution, which is not. A "Retina display" of 2880x1800 is just a "better" 1440x900. Give me the option to choose between double pixels and real pixels and I'll buy thee.

Why would you require that specific resolution?

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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I have been a Windows user my whole life. As a hacker who has recently moved to San Francisco, I've continuously battled Apple fanboys and Linux fanatics alike on why I love Windows and absolutely do not understand why people want to switch platforms. Then I watched this keynote. I'm buying a Macbook Pro.

Just promise us that when you do, you won't become a rabid fanboy yourself. By all rights I should be the biggest fanboy ever. All my computers are Macs. I have an Apple TV. I stood in line to buy the first iPhone on launch day and have owned nothing but iPhones since. I have an iPad. I insist on using Apple services like iTunes so everything "just works" with all my Apple devices. I even converted my whole family fr…

Exactly. I'm like this. I have all Apple paraphernalia, but I only buy them because they work well and look good. If Roku produces a player that works with all routers, and not crap out on updates, have customer support that can help me, I would use theirs. But it isn't the case and I can't waste my money.

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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As a 2011 MacBook Air user, my biggest envy is USB 3.0. Thunderbolt accessories have been few and far between, and then priced at an exorbitant premium. But hey, they finally made a Thunderbolt Firewire adapter cable.

USB 3 accessories are pretty far and few between too, aren't they? What do you actually want to plug in to that port?

Re: MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with Ivy Bridge

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Will you still be able to order a MacBook with the matte display? Or does the retina display preclude this? I hate the glossy screen and was happy to pay extra for matte on my current MacBook.

They're saying they did something to the glass to make it less reflective.
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