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Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by the_duke » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:49 PM UTC

handsaway wrote: post #26

I tried zed for a few weeks because I'm generally sympathetic to the "use a native app" idea vs Electron. I generally liked it and its UX but: 1. VSCode is pretty damn fast to be honest. Very rarely is my slowdown in my work VSCode loading. Maybe I don't open very large files? Probably 5k lines of typescript at most. 2. Integration with the Typescript language server was just not as good as VSCode. I can't pin down e…

I think people just have very different tolerances for latency and slowness.

I keep trying different editors (including VS Code), and I always end up going back to Neovim because everything else just feels sluggish, to the point where it annoys me so much I'm willing to put up with all the configuration burden of Neovim because of it.

I tried out Zed and it actually feels fast enough for me to consider switching.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:50 PM UTC

pkage wrote: post #54

deciduously wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pipe the script to cat before you pipe it to sh and take a look. It's downloading an executable to ~/.local/bin. If that's not your preference, there are many other options for obtaining the software, via your distribution or manually. I feel the backlash to this pattern is pretty overblown. They're not attempting to hide anything, just make the common case convenient.

A lot of the backlash is around the tool downloading and running an arbitrary shell script which could contain anything, and overlooks the fact that that shell script then downloads an opaque binary which could also contain anything. If you're paranoid about security read the code and build it from source, otherwise curl | bash is trusting the authors just as much as any other method.

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Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by ebrescia » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:50 PM UTC

hi_dang_ wrote: post #52

Zed Shaw started a company called Zed Industries?

LOL no. The Zed founders are the guys who built Atom and Electron (and Treesitter): Nathan Sobo, Max Brunsfeld and Antonio Scandurra.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by unshavedyak » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:51 PM UTC

Zambyte wrote: post #36

unshavedyak wrote: post #30

I'll have to figure out how to get it on NixOS. Always the challenge with Nix lol.

https://search.nixos.org/packages?channel=24.05&show=zed-edi...

Wait, added 2 months ago? This isn't new then, i take it? Interesting. Linux release announcement now i wonder?

I expected this just was released today, so it definitely wouldn't be in Nixpkgs yet lol

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by agilob » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:52 PM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

>This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux.

If you think this is not acceptable, check out what they did last week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40902826

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by cmiles74 » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:52 PM UTC

gavmor wrote: post #13

choilive wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its killer feature seems to be speed. Otherwise I dont see much of a reason to use it over VS Code.

Have you had much success with VS Code's multiplayer extensions? I've found them buggy to the point of useless, but maybe things have improved. Zed, on the otherhand, is developed by people who understand pair programming, which is my priority.

Not the OP but I tried hard, looking for an easy pair programming solution. Worked decently a couple of times and inexplicably failed most of the time.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by DEADMINCE » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:53 PM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

> Well, my local directory is `~/local`. So that's not where I want it.

You can just move it after. .local is different from local so there is no clash.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by jchw » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:53 PM UTC

Man, I'm conflicted. I mean, Zed works pretty damn well. So far my biggest annoyance with Zed though is that it's constantly trying to download language servers and other tools and run them. And sure, that's handy, but 1. I don't really want it, I'd much rather only use distribution-provided tools. 2. It doesn't work at all on NixOS, so it's just wasting its time and our bandwidth constantly downloading and trying to update binaries that will never run.

The thing is, I would just disable it, but you can't, as far as I can tell. There's this somewhat angry issue about it here:

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/12589

They might have a point but beyond whether or not they have a point regarding the fact that it automatically fetches binaries from the Internet, not having an option to disable it is just cruel.

I still like Zed a lot and I also have a big appreciation for the design of GPUI, which I think is a very well-designed UI library that puts focus on the important things. So, I hope it goes well.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by lagniappe » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:53 PM UTC

pkage wrote: post #38

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

This is a fairly common way to install tools on Linux. Tailscale, Homebrew, Pi-hole and many others offer installations in this way.

Not an argument.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by janalsncm » Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 5:53 PM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

I disagree. I’m on Linux for my main installation and I know I can inspect the bash script if I want to.

It’s impossible to please everyone. Pipe to sh is simple, transparent, and easy to do. If reading through 200 lines of installation script is too much then reading through thousands of lines of Zed’s code base will certainly be too much.

They also list other ways of installing https://zed.dev/docs/linux