this ritual likely had a real effect on the person (similar to placebo effect). They probably wouldn't have kept it up for 12k years if they weren't getting some tangible improvement.
Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
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Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
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> it's basically conjectures pilled upon one another. It's not just archeology, history is not much better either. They're both basically pseudosciences
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience Pseudoscience consists of statements, beliefs, or practices that claim to be both scientific and factual but are incompatible with the scientific method .
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When white Europeans invaded Australia they disrupted and displaced many indigenous people, either incidentally via colonising farmland, or intentionally via snatching kids and putting them in boarding schools etc. Slaughters/massacres also occurred, especially early in colonisation. Given indigenous Australians favoured oral storytelling rather than written records a great many traditions and histories were lost dur…
You’ve read Bruce Pascoe? His reputation tarnished or otherwise, Dark Emu was a brilliant book for me.
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#85I'm from a Jewish family that has been unable to pass down its rituals over the past few generations. My great-grandparents were observant on both sides. I have no religion or inherited rituals to speak of. So how does a ritual get successfully passed down for something like 500 generations? What must the observer get from it that motivated them so strongly to pass it along with the necessary vigor? Was it something…
The story of Pleiades might be as old as 100 000 years.
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#86I’m surprised by how tenuous the link is between the cave find and the archival find. Is the bar really that low for claims in archaeological papers or am I missing something? It’s a compelling story, but surely Occam’s razor would conclude that poking sticks into dead animals and fire pits is just what people have done for thousands of years? Where’s the evidence that there was chanting and a healing ceremony? Edit:…
Have to agree here. Also just kind of doesn't pass the common sense test. We all learn the "game of telephone" as a kid and how information can change even just being passed once.
In fact I've heard archaeologists in the past specifically say that no oral tradition can survive intact more than 100 years. Usually this statement is in reference to certain creation myths being relatively modern inventions.
A claim of 12000 years needs strong evidence. Given what I've seen from the field lately I have a counter-theory, but I'm not really comfortable sharing.
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
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I guess https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(game)
My three-year-old daughter plays this with cat. It's a cross-species thing that is possibly part of mammalian brain development in origin. The cat is less than one year old. Our 17 year old cat does not engage in this at all and hisses at the kitten for even trying to start a game of tag. This makes me wonder if that origin is more related to predator/prey.
In regards to your 17 year old cat…
All mammalian species have something in common.
When mammals are young we all love playing. This is true for humans, dogs, elephants, primates, cats and so on.
But play ends up disappearing as the mammal gets older. Compare a playful baby elephant to an adult elephant. The baby elephant loves playing. Not just with other elephants but with humans and dogs and so on. But older elephants are more likely to watch and less likely to play.
This is why your 1 year old cat loves playing while your 17 year old cat doesn’t.
It’s a very interesting phenomenon
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(game)
My three-year-old daughter plays this with cat. It's a cross-species thing that is possibly part of mammalian brain development in origin. The cat is less than one year old. Our 17 year old cat does not engage in this at all and hisses at the kitten for even trying to start a game of tag. This makes me wonder if that origin is more related to predator/prey.
Young squirrels also play tag.
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#89this ritual likely had a real effect on the person (similar to placebo effect). They probably wouldn't have kept it up for 12k years if they weren't getting some tangible improvement.
Multiple religions are thousands of years old and they can't all be true.
Re: Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
My three-year-old daughter plays this with cat. It's a cross-species thing that is possibly part of mammalian brain development in origin. The cat is less than one year old. Our 17 year old cat does not engage in this at all and hisses at the kitten for even trying to start a game of tag. This makes me wonder if that origin is more related to predator/prey.
In regards to your 17 year old cat… All mammalian species have something in common. When mammals are young we all love playing. This is true for humans, dogs, elephants, primates, cats and so on. But play ends up disappearing as the mammal gets older. Compare a playful baby elephant to an adult elephant. The baby elephant loves playing. Not just with other elephants but with humans and dogs and so on. But older eleph…
Play is a semi-structured way of learning important skills! Evolution really just has to make it engaging enough for you to learn the skills, not much of a reason for it to persist after that.