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Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by andsoitis »

jampekka wrote: post #70
spacebanana7 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If right to property is a God given right, why the hell I as a atheist should give a damn? You can argue it from political necessity. Some kind of property rights are necessary for the operation of any social group. Even in a communist society you can't have the air force stealing land from the navy, or the transport department taking electricity from hospitals, or neighbours taking each others food allocations. Th…

You can argue divine right of kings or white supremacy from political necessity. Some kind of systems to allocate scarce resources is needed. This doesn't have to be property. Access to e.g. the moon and earth's orbits and international waters and polar regions have systems of allocation, but they are not property.

> Some kind of systems to allocate scarce resources is needed. This doesn't have to be property.

I should not be coerced to give output of my labor (whether physical or mental) to others based on some burocrat’s allocation system or my neighbor’s wishes. That would be immoral.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by roenxi »

maxerickson wrote: post #58
loudmax wrote: post #50

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Depends on your frame of reference. Compared to anything else I've seen generated on a consumer grade GPU, I'd say these are are indeed pretty good. Here's their example gallery: https://hpcaitech.github.io/Open-Sora/ Compared to the outputs from other models run on consumer grade GPUs, I'd say those are very good.

What's the useful frame of reference? Looking better than other things that are also bad is sort interesting in that it represents progress in some direction, but it isn't very interesting to people outside of the topic.

We seem to be in an exponential uptick phase of tech driven by hardware improvements; a few years ago this was impossible on consumer grade GPU. So in some sense there isn't a useful frame of reference, state of the art should improve out-of-sight about every 2 years and eventually I'd expect iPhones to be outgenerating Disney at movies.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by nineteen999 »

echelon wrote: post #62
barrkel wrote: post #52

I was forwarded a message just moments ago by my mother, a 5 second Facebook video, clearly AI generated - and I suspect Open Sora. More AI slop for everyone.

I know AI will be used to spam, but to not see or acknowledge the positive capabilities of this technology is absolutely flabbergasting to me. This is going to make filmmaking cheap and accessible to a broad audience, and that's nothing short of a miracle. I typically do each year's 48 hour film project with a team of 8 or more people. This year I did it with myself and an editor, and it was amazing - no 6 AM trip to…

Can we see your this years project anywhere? Just curious to what you achieved with it, how complex the film is etc.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by ramshanker »

logicchains wrote: post #71
_flux wrote: post #5

It's probably not the best idea to base your clone on the name that is being trademarked: https://trademarks.justia.com/984/05/sora-98405663.html

It looks like it's being developed by a Chinese group. What's OpenAI going to do, sue them in a Chinese court?

Take down their GIT Repository with perfectly valid DMCA Notice, I guess?

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by clwg »

maxerickson wrote: post #58
loudmax wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on your frame of reference. Compared to anything else I've seen generated on a consumer grade GPU, I'd say these are are indeed pretty good. Here's their example gallery: https://hpcaitech.github.io/Open-Sora/ Compared to the outputs from other models run on consumer grade GPUs, I'd say those are very good.

What's the useful frame of reference? Looking better than other things that are also bad is sort interesting in that it represents progress in some direction, but it isn't very interesting to people outside of the topic.

For me I use the Will Smith video[0] from just over a year ago. Compared to the examples it's a pretty stark difference.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/yes-v...

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by forkerenok »

maxerickson wrote: post #58
loudmax wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on your frame of reference. Compared to anything else I've seen generated on a consumer grade GPU, I'd say these are are indeed pretty good. Here's their example gallery: https://hpcaitech.github.io/Open-Sora/ Compared to the outputs from other models run on consumer grade GPUs, I'd say those are very good.

What's the useful frame of reference? Looking better than other things that are also bad is sort interesting in that it represents progress in some direction, but it isn't very interesting to people outside of the topic.

Not GP, but when I looked at the examples, I thought that those already look pretty useable in comic book-like storytelling to set the mood. I.e. in settings where smaller details of the scene are not relevant and are not taking away from the "larger product".

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by LorenzoBloedow »

tetris11 wrote: post #21
martin_a wrote: post #11

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If you want to look at it from a brighter side, I think it's great that this tech exists and people know about it in large and how easy it is to fabricate false information with this. If I was very optimistic, I'd hope that people would question more what they see and hear and read to due to widespread of "Gen AI tools". In reality that will most likely not happen, but yeah, one can hope. And on job loss: Jobs come a…

Yeah but the people reskilled into other demanding jobs that still needed people. With AI, the demand for that skillset is diminishing as is the need for people at all. We're heading towards a Solaria situation, where the rich genuinely might no longer need to employ the masses, or sell them products. What would you do if you had a magic box that met all your needs? Pay a consultant? Hire a gardener? Call a maid? Req…

AI is not and most likely will not be a "magic box that meets all your needs" in at least 1000 years unless something insane happens, AI does function approximation, when you scale it up it can do amazing things but you still need human creativity, you still need engineers because it can only output data not act on real-world stuff, you still need data that is generated by humans, you still need to train every model for your specific task, and tasks are infinite.

If we wanted to replace humans we'd have to fully figure out how the human brain works first, for now no one knows how the human brain truly works so how can we claim AI will replace all humans?

In my opinion, AGI is just an acronym pushed by people who have something to gain from mass hysteria, FOMO, and making people feel like "the end is near", AKA, AI influencers and founders who want investors to give them money.

Of course, this doesn't mean everyone who believes in AGI is one of the two, most were probably just fed this narrative and it sounded believable so they just went with it.

These are my two cents, sorry for the wall of text :P, but I just had to say something about what I perceive as an "AI bubble" that generates mass panic for most in order to benefit a few

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by tetris11 »

LorenzoBloedow wrote: post #87
tetris11 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but the people reskilled into other demanding jobs that still needed people. With AI, the demand for that skillset is diminishing as is the need for people at all. We're heading towards a Solaria situation, where the rich genuinely might no longer need to employ the masses, or sell them products. What would you do if you had a magic box that met all your needs? Pay a consultant? Hire a gardener? Call a maid? Req…

AI is not and most likely will not be a "magic box that meets all your needs" in at least 1000 years unless something insane happens, AI does function approximation, when you scale it up it can do amazing things but you still need human creativity, you still need engineers because it can only output data not act on real-world stuff, you still need data that is generated by humans, you still need to train every model…

Many of the day-to-day tasks that keeps people regularly employed are not creative tasks, but repetitive and predictable.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by andsoitis »

tetris11 wrote: post #21
martin_a wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to look at it from a brighter side, I think it's great that this tech exists and people know about it in large and how easy it is to fabricate false information with this. If I was very optimistic, I'd hope that people would question more what they see and hear and read to due to widespread of "Gen AI tools". In reality that will most likely not happen, but yeah, one can hope. And on job loss: Jobs come a…

Yeah but the people reskilled into other demanding jobs that still needed people. With AI, the demand for that skillset is diminishing as is the need for people at all. We're heading towards a Solaria situation, where the rich genuinely might no longer need to employ the masses, or sell them products. What would you do if you had a magic box that met all your needs? Pay a consultant? Hire a gardener? Call a maid? Req…

> What would you do if you had a magic box that met all your needs? Pay a consultant? Hire a gardener? Call a maid? Request an escort? Why.

Because that magic box is… magic, fantasy.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Post by spacebanana7 »

jampekka wrote: post #70
spacebanana7 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If right to property is a God given right, why the hell I as a atheist should give a damn? You can argue it from political necessity. Some kind of property rights are necessary for the operation of any social group. Even in a communist society you can't have the air force stealing land from the navy, or the transport department taking electricity from hospitals, or neighbours taking each others food allocations. Th…

You can argue divine right of kings or white supremacy from political necessity. Some kind of systems to allocate scarce resources is needed. This doesn't have to be property. Access to e.g. the moon and earth's orbits and international waters and polar regions have systems of allocation, but they are not property.

> You can argue divine right of kings or white supremacy from political necessity.

Those arguments can be incorrect without entailing all arguments from political necessity are false.

I can incorrectly argue a justification of the flat earth theory from physics - but that would discredit my own intellect rather than the subject of physics.

> Some kind of systems to allocate scarce resources is needed. This doesn't have to be property.

I agree not everything has to be property, but some things must. Essentially anything that's both important and "stealable" needs to be protected by property rights of some kind.

Regardless of how your food and water come into your possession (trade, charity, gov allocation), it's necessary that some of it remains in your possession for you to consume.

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