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Re: Figma AI

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Post by hbosch »

kristopolous wrote: post #55
hbosch wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The race is on. What will AI deliver first...? Production-ready code so PMs don't need engineers, or production-ready designs so PMs don't need designers? The reality is that without domain experts (design, research, engineering, business, law) you're left trusting the AI to make the decision without a good way to check if it made the right one.

Design is different. It's become literally just whatever the boss likes. You can tell me about the math, theories and laws but look around you, nobody cares about those any more.

When UX designers started to look at their job more like science than art, the tech world became more boring, dull, and soulless.

Re: Figma AI

#82

Post by b3ing »

toddmorey wrote: post #59

They have not yet started doing any training on user content and I applaud them for that. (They've only used public community files so far.) However, they are headed that way to support advanced AI features. Quoting Fimga: Two important highlights: First, all admins have control of whether their team’s content data is used for training. Second, participation in AI content training is not required to use Figma or Figm…

You know it will be turned on by default, that is 99% what companies do. The data-for-training is too important to get no matter what

Re: Figma AI

#83

Post by b3ing »

logicchains wrote: post #36

What's Figma? They don't make it very clear.

A company Adobe tried to buy $20 billion, because they killed off Fireworks (since they didn't understand its purpose - which gave rise to Sketch) and tried to copy Sketch with XD but failed even when they made it for free (and you know that was only temporary as they hoped it would become more popular).

Re: Figma AI

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Post by solardev »

ChipperShredder wrote: post #14

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Why don't you just scroll past it? On any given day, 90% of the stuff on the front page isn't interesting to me, but it's easy to just ignore them. Or use Adblock to filter them out with a custom rule.

Figma is a tool used (and loved) by many of us in the web or frontend world, both because of its utility and because it's the "Google Docs" of today, meaning software that uses cutting-edge web technologies to deliver a good app experience that previously required desktop installs (Sketch, Photoshop, etc.)

Plus, they narrowly avoided being bought out by Adobe (thank god), which would've saddened a lot of us. Figma was very much loved; Adobe was usually not.

All in all it's just an important tool and interesting company to keep tabs on.

Re: Figma AI

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Post by ChipperShredder »

solardev wrote: post #84
ChipperShredder wrote: post #14

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Why don't you just scroll past it? On any given day, 90% of the stuff on the front page isn't interesting to me, but it's easy to just ignore them. Or use Adblock to filter them out with a custom rule. Figma is a tool used (and loved) by many of us in the web or frontend world, both because of its utility and because it's the "Google Docs" of today, meaning software that uses cutting-edge web technologies to deliver…

It's an everyday affair, every single day there are several promoted Figma stories on the front page. It's not really that revolutionairy either, other than the model of putting it behind the cloud instead of letting people own the product on their computer.

Re: Figma AI

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Post by solardev »

ChipperShredder wrote: post #85
solardev wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you just scroll past it? On any given day, 90% of the stuff on the front page isn't interesting to me, but it's easy to just ignore them. Or use Adblock to filter them out with a custom rule. Figma is a tool used (and loved) by many of us in the web or frontend world, both because of its utility and because it's the "Google Docs" of today, meaning software that uses cutting-edge web technologies to deliver…

It's an everyday affair, every single day there are several promoted Figma stories on the front page. It's not really that revolutionairy either, other than the model of putting it behind the cloud instead of letting people own the product on their computer.

Is that really true? Looking at stories in the past year (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...), it seems like we easily go weeks between high-scoring Figma stories. And that's for a widely-used tool that's critical to many of our teams on an everyday basis, vs say the stories about the latest ephemeral crypto or AI company hype.

Would you feel the same way about stories about popular IDEs or programming languages, for example? Figma is THAT important for some of us, and I appreciate reading about it here.

> It's not really that revolutionairy either, other than the model of putting it behind the cloud instead of letting people own the product on their computer.

I mean, sure, but that's also in and of itself pretty important. That's how they were able to so quickly displace Sketch and Photoshop and Adobe XD.

It IS pretty revolutionary to be able to code a heavy, powerful, performant app like that in the browser, the same way it was when Google Docs first came out and people were like "what, you can run microsoft word in the browser?" What previously would've required a lengthy CD-ROM install (or hundreds of megabytes of downloads and patches) can now load in a few seconds in a browser window, with multiple users and editors all collaborating at the same time, including managers with no graphics software training.

That's pretty amazing -- not just according to me, but the millions who use it. In contrast to so much on HN, Figma actually offers a real product used daily by millions of users. They didn't do that by offering something nobody wanted. It's an exceptionally good product built to high UI standards, performing well on bog-standard browsers across a variety of machines. That's no easy feat. As a frontend dev, I really appreciate the effort and thoughtfulness they've put into it.

That's just me. It's fine if that's not interesting to you, but again, just scroll past it...?

Re: Figma AI

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Post by gffrd »

tsunamifury wrote: post #15
jjcm wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PM here for Make Designs. > If it doesn't work with MY design system (as opposed to curated design systems like MUI or Bootstrap or whatever) then it's useless You hit the nail on the head. This our #1 focus for this team moving forward. If you noticed in the keynote, Dylan highlighted Chen Chen and the Google Material team, both of whom created generators for their design systems. They work, but they were hard to ma…

The problem here isn’t that it uses your pattern library or not. The issue is it will spit out static designs that look right but aren’t actually based on either user goals or business goals of the product. It’s just a design that looks right. It’s missing the entire workflow design part and in fact covers over the need for it. I see it leading a lot of less experienced product programs astray.

So … how most companies are already designing experiences?

Re: Figma AI

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Post by cheema33 »

burningChrome wrote: post #10
iknowSFR wrote: post #4

Every AI tool being released by 3rd parties is being blacklisted by my company. The primary reasoning is around sharing data with tool itself. On the other hand, if my clients allow them, there’s a long review and approval process followed by continuous audits. Is anyone else running into this at their companies? I look at these tools and get excited but I’m continuously being blocked from using for work.

My very large corporation is 100% all in on Figma, but has recently blocked several tools and have signaled (through meetings and memo's) that their AI tools will also be blocked. As an aside, I work in accessibility and our team started using some AI and automated tools to do some A11Y testing and much of the functionality has been blocked. We were really interested in the companies mobile testing tool but now we wo…

> I've also heard complaints from Devs who said GitHub Copilot has also been blocked

I am soooo glad that I do not work for a very large corporation anymore. Man, the hurdles they create are a massive pain in the rear.

I work for a small 10-person company. I get to make the rules. And we are never hard ass about the rules. I don't think I have been this productive at any job in the past.

I understand that a 100,000 person company has different set of concerns. But I do think that an average developer at smaller company is more productive because they have to deal with a lot less BS.

Re: Figma AI

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Post by tsunamifury »

gffrd wrote: post #87
tsunamifury wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem here isn’t that it uses your pattern library or not. The issue is it will spit out static designs that look right but aren’t actually based on either user goals or business goals of the product. It’s just a design that looks right. It’s missing the entire workflow design part and in fact covers over the need for it. I see it leading a lot of less experienced product programs astray.

So … how most companies are already designing experiences?

Touché

Re: Figma AI

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Post by LauraMedia »

jjcm wrote: post #11
karaterobot wrote: post #3

Watching the keynote, the feature where it spits out a design based on a prompt seems like a gimmick. If it doesn't work with MY design system (as opposed to curated design systems like MUI or Bootstrap or whatever) then it's useless. It's also probably not ready to design complex applications, as opposed to brochure websites and apps that fit into very common templates. The AI-powered search features seem really pro…

PM here for Make Designs. > If it doesn't work with MY design system (as opposed to curated design systems like MUI or Bootstrap or whatever) then it's useless You hit the nail on the head. This our #1 focus for this team moving forward. If you noticed in the keynote, Dylan highlighted Chen Chen and the Google Material team, both of whom created generators for their design systems. They work, but they were hard to ma…

I do think the number one points I've had with the feature were: - I'd like to create tablet sized apps, or desktop/web sized apps (and not landing pages) - It would be awesome if I could provide mock JSON data and let Figma design a rough concept of how to align that data

I think with those two things, It can be a really great "first draft", to be remade by me properly.

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