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Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#81

There is an old saying: US innovates, China replicates and EU regulates.

EU will regulate themselves straight out of economic productivity.

Yeah and we regulate ourself straight into liveable working conditions, public healthcare, paid vacations, parental leaves and all other kinds of really really nasty communist nightmares

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#82
post #73

There is an old saying: US innovates, China replicates and EU regulates.

Wonder how old that saying is, since the US is about 250 years old, China is really, really old and EU is only ~30 years old.

Chinese culture is thousands of years old but so is Indigenous American culture.

If we’re talking about modern nation states then China was either founded in 1912 (ROC) or 1949 (PRC), depending on who you ask.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#83
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My jest was aimed at Siri's Apple Intelligence (AI) upcoming Onscreen Awareness. I'd like to also share my screenshots stream to be analyzed Microsoft AI's Copilot+ Recall feature for ultimate AI analysis and any other company that wants to send my screen to AI. Alphabet Intelligence? Sign my screen up!

Ok, that doesn't really work either, because the Apple Intelligence stuff is done on-device.

Apple announced many of the new features are not on-device. There are three categories:

1. On device

2. Private cloud compute (aka Apple’s servers)

3. OpenAI (but only if you approve each time it’s used)

This isn’t really a new thing - you could always tell that some of Apple’s AI features depending on remote servers by disconnecting from the internet, using Siri and seeing how much of it stopped working.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#84
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> The company announced Friday it would block the release of [...] iPhone Mirroring [...] from users in the EU this year, because the Digital Markets Act allegedly forces it to downgrade the security of its products and services. Huh?

Because the DMA could force it to interoperate with third-party software that could also mirror it for users, which would allow third parties to spy on your screen.

The logic here is pretty straightforward, really. You might disagree, but the legal concern here is not confusing.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#85

Extorsion won’t help Apple, people will just use other services or platforms

Like? The regulatory concerns will exist for ANY AI offering.

And yet it doesn’t seem to be a problem for Samsung and others (who already released similar features in their previous generation devices).

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#86

Over the years, overregulation will continue to lock the EU out of bleeding-edge technologies. Every feature, every website, every innovation that doesn’t launch in the EU further plunges the bloc into technological irrelevance.

Is there anything else to life than bleeding-edge technologies ? A truly mind shattering question for the average code monkey

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#87
post #43

Out of curiosity, what about the Chinese market? It’s Apple’s third biggest market, and my assumption is since ChatGPT is banned there, they’ll need to work with some local AI companies to deliver the announced features.

https://archive.ph/4aCFY

TL;DR: reports that there are talks with Baidu, Alibaba, Baichuan AI

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#88
post #78
post #53

I do not get it. If they are really into "private cloud", "your data belongs to you", ... They should be compliant out of the box. This decreases my trust in Apple.

Apple throwing a tantrum like this doesn’t seem like a winning strategy. It’s a giant finger for devs and consumers in Europe.

>It’s a giant finger for devs and consumers in Europe.

If EU would have a VC sector anywhere near the US or even Chinese ones, this is actually the perfect time and market opportunity for a local EU competitor to come out and launch a privacy focused smartphone that's compliant with local market regulations and also includes the AI features that Apple refuses to release out of spite.

Apple only does shit like this because they know that the alternatives EU has in the consumer facing smartphone tech space is weak AF and poses no significant competition and no threat to them, unlike in China where Huawei and Xiaomi are ready to pounce if Apple were to slip.

Regulations are good, but having domestic alternative competitors is even better, and the EU is lacking here and Apple knows this hence it can play chicken.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are legitimate concerns for user privacy with any third-party integration, including OpenAI which is why Apple asks you before sending a request to ChatGPT. They solved this problem already, and I guess they want to try and hold EU users over a barrel by claiming interoperability is impossible or something. Seriously, what kind of fearmongering can Apple push that doesn't make you side-eye the OpenAI integratio…

> There are legitimate concerns for user privacy with any third-party integration, including OpenAI which is why Apple asks you before sending a request to ChatGPT Right - which is why the ChatGPT integration is such a small part of the total Ai/LLM capabilities they announced, and they've loudly and publicly announced that it will support other 3rd parties in the future. Buuuuut - what happens if/when the EU decides…

Then people gain options.

Some of them might be worse for privacy, but if they offer better (or cheaper, which can be a quality) features, that's up to people.

If this was "the olden days", it would be a legitimate concern. But mobile OSs have long forced Apps to request permission to use various features explicitely and fall back graciously when some aren't provided. So outside security concerns that exist either way, they really can only claim to care about misinformed users.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

#90
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU will regulate themselves straight out of economic productivity.

Yeah and we regulate ourself straight into liveable working conditions, public healthcare, paid vacations, parental leaves and all other kinds of really really nasty communist nightmares

Not a bad tradeoff imo. But it is a tradeoff.
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