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Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by llamaimperative »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #79
llamaimperative wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and those are not “the same kind of people” with the same motives nor rationale nor basis in knowledge as the people advocating for constraints around social media in the present day. There are religious bookbanners today and they have very little overlap with the anti-social media crowd.

> There are religious bookbanners today and they have very little overlap with the anti-social media crowd. I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on that. To me it doesn't matter whether there's any actual overlap between the groups. It's the censorious impulse they share. Believing that they have the right to make this type of decision for others is what makes them the "same kind of people".

Presumably people who use the law to oppose distribution of child pornography are the “same type” then too, right?

A censorious impulse is a censorious impulse, after all!

Obviously you can use whatever taxonomy of people you want, but yours seems like an extremely esoteric and rather useless one.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by roland35 »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #50
corimaith wrote: post #46

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This is purely anecdotal, but looking at my experiences in late-primary to middle school from 2008-2012 so, the exposure to the internet from early on can be pretty bad. 8 year olds swearing left and right, talking about porn and pedos or making all sorts of unpleasant statements that you seen on 4chan can have a pretty debilitating effect on a child's development, especially before puberty has even begun. A kind of…

I was born in the 80s and said all that same dumb crap as a kid too. I learned it from music.

Rock and Roll is the devil's music!

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by throwaway199129 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #74
throwaway199129 wrote: post #34

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. The article you linked says they plan to remove federal involvement in education, delegating that responsibility back to the states. From my perhaps naive viewpoint, decentralizing government education seems like it would allow more competing ideas and approaches into classrooms. It's not clear to me why this approach would dismantle education. Why do you think this approach would…

Because we’ve done it before and it yielded segregation, embedding of (one) religion in schools, and gigantic gaps in educational attainment based on where a child happened to be born. Is it that hard to foresee what’ll happen if Louisiana et al started teaching children that the earth is 6000 years old, evolution is a farce, the US is a Christian nation, and also don’t worry about learning much outside of our immedi…

It would be interesting to see if much of that has changed since the DoE was created in 1980. Do schools in Louisiana currently not teach that the earth is 6,000 years old, that evolution is a farce, and that the US is a Christian nation? Do we no longer have gigantic gaps in educational attainment based on where a child happened to be born? Segregation is federally illegal, so the proposed decentralization would only apply to curriculum and funding. I have no idea how the centralization of the education system has positively or negatively affected education outcomes, so I don't find the outcome of decentralizing it again obvious.

By the way, it's sad that this needs to be written, but I'm commenting in good faith. Without any kids in the education system, and without having been through the education system in many years, I'm not up to date with the latest statistics. All I have to go on is the occasional anecdotes from the people around me, which seem to be largely negative, but which could also be based in fantasy. I recognize that I have these blind spots, which is why I'm asking these questions.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

EncomLab wrote: post #8

While I agree with much of the article - the leap from "social media is making tween girls suicidal" to "adults should not be able to determine what information they choose to consume because then they might vote wrong" is a huge one.

Do "social media", i.e., so-called "tech" companies, allow adults to determine what information they choose to consume. Pretty sure that no one using Facebook ever requested a "feed", the contents of which are determined by Facebook. The original Facebook did not have a "feed" and people using Facebook were upset when Facebook added one.

[There is something strange about using both the words "determine" and "choose" instead of just one.]

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by Turing_Machine »

llamaimperative wrote: post #81
Turing_Machine wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are religious bookbanners today and they have very little overlap with the anti-social media crowd. I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on that. To me it doesn't matter whether there's any actual overlap between the groups. It's the censorious impulse they share. Believing that they have the right to make this type of decision for others is what makes them the "same kind of people".

Presumably people who use the law to oppose distribution of child pornography are the “same type” then too, right? A censorious impulse is a censorious impulse, after all! Obviously you can use whatever taxonomy of people you want, but yours seems like an extremely esoteric and rather useless one.

Don't give yourself a hernia setting up that straw man, dude.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by llamaimperative »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #85
llamaimperative wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably people who use the law to oppose distribution of child pornography are the “same type” then too, right? A censorious impulse is a censorious impulse, after all! Obviously you can use whatever taxonomy of people you want, but yours seems like an extremely esoteric and rather useless one.

Don't give yourself a hernia setting up that straw man, dude.

Hey you offered the framework!

What about people opposed to allowing non-doctors to call themselves doctors?

There are a million examples of “censorious impulses” you would not lump in with these, ergo the taxonomy is a bad one.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by Turing_Machine »

llamaimperative wrote: post #86
Turing_Machine wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't give yourself a hernia setting up that straw man, dude.

Hey you offered the framework! What about people opposed to allowing non-doctors to call themselves doctors? There are a million examples of “censorious impulses” you would not lump in with these, ergo the taxonomy is a bad one.

> Hey you offered the framework!

I did nothing of the sort. You're trying to set up a classic slippery slope fallacy and I'm not going to play that game.

Me: I think alcohol prohibitionists are meddling busybodies. You: Oh, well, I guess you think there's nothing wrong with injecting babies with pure grain alcohol starting at birth.

Me: I think furnaces and central heating are wonderful inventions. You: Oh, well, I guess you think it's okay to go around setting houses on fire.

That's how the game is played. I stopped being impressed by it decades ago. Likely before you were even born.

Bye now!

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by llamaimperative »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #87
llamaimperative wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey you offered the framework! What about people opposed to allowing non-doctors to call themselves doctors? There are a million examples of “censorious impulses” you would not lump in with these, ergo the taxonomy is a bad one.

> Hey you offered the framework! I did nothing of the sort. You're trying to set up a classic slippery slope fallacy and I'm not going to play that game. Me: I think alcohol prohibitionists are meddling busybodies. You: Oh, well, I guess you think there's nothing wrong with injecting babies with pure grain alcohol starting at birth. Me: I think furnaces and central heating are wonderful inventions. You: Oh, well, I g…

> Believing that they have the right to make this type of decision for others is what makes them the "same kind of people".

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by knallfrosch »

senordevnyc wrote: post #71
knallfrosch wrote: post #52

Very American to believe that small communities can solve this problem and to not even expect parliament to do anything. Parliament not doing anything is obviously a self-fulfilling prophecy, and small, local solutions to a tragedy of the commons.. I don't believe it'll work.

You can't really blame Americans for not expecting parliament to do anything, especially since we don't have a parliament.

I can't tell whether you're ignorant or cynical.
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