Live data from Hacker News

Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

jorgegalindo.me

81–90 of 260 posts

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

#81
post #77

If we tallied up all technical projects in the Western world that failed, how many would be failing due to lack of kindness versus, say, straight-forwards incompetence? Because 100% fall in the latter category in my experience. One of the problems with engineers counter-signalling engineering values (like actual technical competence) is that we live in a world where those values are extremely underrated while every m…

Technically correct is the best kind of correct.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

#83
post #77

If we tallied up all technical projects in the Western world that failed, how many would be failing due to lack of kindness versus, say, straight-forwards incompetence? Because 100% fall in the latter category in my experience. One of the problems with engineers counter-signalling engineering values (like actual technical competence) is that we live in a world where those values are extremely underrated while every m…

I actually agree with you but at the same time, being unkind in those situations is only going to hurt yourself. The reality of many workplaces is that the technical aspect as not the main focus. Appearances and politics run the show at most companies. You can either accept that and work with the system or engage counterproductively with your colleagues in a misguided attempt to force them into technical competence (never gonna happen). Eventually I want to find a place to work full of technically competent people. I thought I would find that in my current company because it was so competitive to get a job here. Let’s just say that was not the case. It think it can be very hard for employees to filter on this without knowing someone on the inside.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

#84
I think one of the difficulties is that someone can, say, adopt this "The Kind Framework", and appear aligned on values and awarenesses with someone who appears the same way.

Then the second person is blindsided when the first person goes and does something utterly selfish, as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

And the first person is baffled that anyone wouldn't expect someone to do that, since they assume anyone would do the selfish thing. And they still think of themselves as a kind person. Where their definition of kind is presenting a certain vibe exterior.

I call the first person a "sunny sociopath", after characters we'd often see in TV shows set in California.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

#85
post #77

If we tallied up all technical projects in the Western world that failed, how many would be failing due to lack of kindness versus, say, straight-forwards incompetence? Because 100% fall in the latter category in my experience. One of the problems with engineers counter-signalling engineering values (like actual technical competence) is that we live in a world where those values are extremely underrated while every m…

I don't know if kindness is the right word you have used here. HR is not kind. At the end of the day they don't care about you. But they speak to you nicely. Same for the government too I guess

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

#86

These kind of over-generalist advice are pretty meaningless (especially the title, content being more specific). You do not always want to be perceived (because that's what you're going for) as kind, it is situation specific. You do not want to be kind during negotiation, because that means you're usually missing out on a better deal. You do not want to be kind when dealing with bad behaviour. I've too often seen mis…

A stair is an inanimate object that other people step upon in order to move upwards.

Perhaps the human beings in question refused to participate in that game and therefore went "missing"? People using the term "missing stair" are very often sanctimonious, obsessed with power, and just do enough of faking kindness to fly under the radar. And they treat others like inanimate objects.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

#88
post #22

just a few people are going to miss the smartest in the room, but everyone is going to miss someone kind How is the goal of having people miss you related to achieving business goals ? On the contrary if the smartest is able to produce a lot, people are going to miss him On that topic, I’d rather have people trying to not become offended for little things, seems easier than faking kindness for personal benefits

People don't like working with jerks. I don't. It's hard to achieve business goals if no one wants to work with each other.

That’s your problem if you are offended too easily. They might not be jerks but you too sensible

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

#89
Rarely does one accomplish great things in life alone, or on the first try.

Life is often a game of making sure you have enough at bats to eventually succeed.

From a self interested utilitarian view, people will remember you warmly for being kind and be happy to work with you again / give you another shot, far more than they will if you are smart & difficult.

Being incompetent and kind isn't my suggestion here. It is simply that if you are as smart and hard working as you think you are, it's not that hard to also be a little kind. If it is so hard for you, you may want to try working on it.

Re: Do not try to be the smartest in the room; try to be the kindest

#90
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want to be kind only for utilitarian motives, not because it’s a good thing in principle ?

It sounds like you're saying it's far better to be kind for altruistic reasons. Is that right? Some persons (me included) suspect that humans rarely if ever act with true altruism; that it's actually a nicely dressed up form of self-serving hedonism. And so for us, the challenge becomes how to get ourselves to act good / kind despite that. One way is to find ways to intentionally tie kind behavior to our own self-int…

gp is refering to a morality that is deontologically grounded, not just one based on altruism. Here it is not necessarily for one "reason" or the other, but rather acting the way some ideal person would in a perfect world (famously for Kant within the "kingdom of ends" where every person is an "end to themselves").

It's a rather huge theoretical distinction that at least in the West goes all the way back!

In general, one shouldn't confuse ethics itself with the whatever one might think is the most viable ethical system! It isnt a product to market. Utilitarianism is no less silly the anything else, and has its own ridiculous edge cases and all that.

Post reply on HN