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Perplexity AI is lying about their user agent

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#81

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Reading a book is not theft. Building a business on processing other people's copyrighted material to produce content is.

I think that's called a school

If you think going to school to get an education is the same thing as training an LLM then you are just so misguided. Normal people read books to gain an understanding of a concept, but do not retain the text verbatim in memory in perpetuity. This is not what training an LLM does.

Re: Perplexity AI is lying about their user agent

#82
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Captcha seems to be the only solution to prevent it and yet this is the worst UX for people. The big publishers will probably get their cut no matter what but I’m not sure if AI will leave any room for small/medium publishers in the long run.

>Captcha seems to be the only solution

Not for long.

Re: Perplexity AI is lying about their user agent

#84
The author has misunderstood when the perplexity user agent applies.

Web site owners shouldn’t dictate what browser users can access their site with - whether that’s chrome, firefox, or something totally different like perplexity.

When retrieving a web page _for the user_ it’s appropriate to use a UA string that looks like a browser client.

If perplexity is collecting training data in bulk without using their UA that’s a different thing, and they should stop. But this article doesn’t show that.

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#86

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Reading a book is not theft. Building a business on processing other people's copyrighted material to produce content is.

I think that's called a school

Schools use books that were paid for and library lending falls under PLR (in the UK), so authors of books used in schools do get compensated. Not a lot, but they are. AI companies are run by people who will loot your place when you're not looking and charge you for access to your own stuff. Fuck that lot.

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#87

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> and thinking they can get away with it Can they not? I think that remains to be seen.

Exactly. It's like when Uber started and flaunted the medallion taxi system of many cities. People said "These Uber people are idiots! They are going to get shut down! Don't they know the laws for taxis?" While a small number of cities did ban Uber (and even that generally only temporarily), in the end Uber basically won. I think a lot of people confuse what they want to happen versus what will happen.

Americans are incredibly ignorant of how the world actually works because the American living memory only knows the peak of the empire from the inside.

Re: Perplexity AI is lying about their user agent

#88
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I don’t think we should lump together “AI company scraping a website to train their base model” and “AI tool retrieving a web page because I asked it to”. At least, those should be two different user agents so you have the option to block one and not the other.

And yet, OpenAI blocks both of these activities if you happen to block either "GPTBot" (the ingest crawler) or "ChatGPT-User" (retrieval during chat).

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I don’t think we should lump together “AI company scraping a website to train their base model” and “AI tool retrieving a web page because I asked it to”. At least, those should be two different user agents so you have the option to block one and not the other.

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Re: Perplexity AI is lying about their user agent

#90
glad to see the pushback against theft.

big tech hates piracy when it applies to their products, but condone it when it applies to others' content.

spread the word. see ai-slop ? say something ! see ai-theft ?say something ! staying quiet is encouraging theiving.

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