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macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by zrm »

tgv wrote: post #40
walterbell wrote: post #32

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There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating s…

And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

What stops you running Android apps on it?

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by JayDustheadz »

wobfan wrote: post #38
JayDustheadz wrote: post #36

I'm not a super-advanced user, so could somebody please let me know if this will allow running Windows on an ARM based Macs? Or perhaps running a VM with macOS Big Sur on macOS 15 ( I'm looking to install a specific version of an app via App Store - a version that is limited to macOS Big Sur )? Thanks in advance!

You can already run Windows on Macs, just look at UTM or Parallels. You can also already run Big Sur on macOS 14. Edit: Should've added that you can only run Windows ARM. Emulating x86 on ARM (= running "normal" Windows on macOS M-processors) may be possible (I'm not sure), but practically not usable as it will be painfully slow. That will probably not change in the near future. However Windows ARM contains a Rosetta…

That's the issue - you can not run Big Sur on macOS 14 on an ARM Mac - from what I know, this is only possible on an Intel machine. Perhaps also on the very first M1 Macs, though I'm not sure about that one. Or am I wrong?

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by walterbell »

derefr wrote: post #70
walterbell wrote: post #63

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> create market segmentation Which is the "better edition": $2000 iPad Pro or $2000 Macbook? If the goal is to maximize hardware device proliferation, third (and Nth) variants could be created with software-locked differentiation. Why stop at 2 hardware editions?

> Which is the "better edition": $2000 iPad Pro or $2000 Macbook? The one of the two with a lower profit margin for the manufacturer would usually be the one considered to have more "value" in it. The usual way to measure this, when software editions are locked to particular hardware, is by looking at the cheapest hardware they sell that'll have the given edition of the software installed. (Another example of this: m…

> Another example of this: managed vs unmanaged routers

Do you mean something like Amazon eero vs generic OpenWRT routers? Eero has a few different hardware editions, usually segmented by WiFi speed. They also have a monthly subscription for additional software features. Presumably they make most of their revenue from subscriptions, with a small margin on the router hardware.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by derefr »

walterbell wrote: post #83
derefr wrote: post #70

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> Which is the "better edition": $2000 iPad Pro or $2000 Macbook? The one of the two with a lower profit margin for the manufacturer would usually be the one considered to have more "value" in it. The usual way to measure this, when software editions are locked to particular hardware, is by looking at the cheapest hardware they sell that'll have the given edition of the software installed. (Another example of this: m…

> Another example of this: managed vs unmanaged routers Do you mean something like Amazon eero vs generic OpenWRT routers? Eero has a few different hardware editions, usually segmented by WiFi speed. They also have a monthly subscription for additional software features. Presumably they make most of their revenue from subscriptions, with a small margin on the router hardware.

No, I mean like companies like Linksys that have product lines with model names that all just look like "N-port network switch, [un]managed" for different prices, that are only differentiated by the number of ports and what firmware is installed on them.

In these product lines, not only do the managed switches cost more than their unmanaged equivalents, but you also only get the option for a managed switch after a certain number of ports.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by walterbell »

nebula8804 wrote: post #79
walterbell wrote: post #51

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> pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple I'm typing this on iPad Air and looking at an iPad Pro, Mac Mini and Macbook Air.

Then you are missing out on all the cool additions that Apple introduced today. Things that are really tailored for the iPad.

Could you recommend an article or Apple web page listing those additions? Or name some here?

Mark Gurman, long-time Apple journalist, didn't find any iPad-specific features, beyond AI/LLM features coming to all Apple platforms. Here's another article that lists "everything" announced at WWDC, which doesn't list any new iPad features, other than AI/LLM, https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/10/everything-apple-announced...

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by walterbell »

nebula8804 wrote: post #77
justinclift wrote: post #64

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> There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years ... So you're saying people should just accept their old iPads can't have a meaningful life after iPadOS support ends? And that's because "Apple doesn't want them to", so that's it. No questions asked, just accept the results?

What are you talking about? Its not like the iPad shuts off as soon as year 9 rolls around. The iPad still runs and can be used for many more years.

Apps aren't updated. Web browsing is unsafe.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by verticalscaler »

nebula8804 wrote: post #74
deletedie wrote: post #20

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With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is likely to be casualty.

I was at the most recent CCC conference and there was a discussion on "Spotting tech fictions as replacement for social and political change". What I heard was the same line of thinking I had heard since the COP21 Paris Climate Conference 10 years ago. The solution is to push the green agenda through activism and pressuring politicians/corporations to enact sweeping motions. During this talk, they discussed pushing p…

I recall speeches by British celebs in the late 90s when this sort of thing first became fashionable. Some lady told a huge crowd that they need to unplug their kettles. You are not serious people.

But I'm sure it feels great to sit around at conferences and discuss "pushing people to take the bus". Heck, it is a whole industry unto itself, isn't it?

P.S. - I do think climate change is a serious issue. Figured I'd mention that before the usual responses that shun and excommunicate me as a "denier".

This will simply not have "political solutions". Realistically the greens are counter productive to the max and always have been. It is simply the self-flagellation remnant bits of defunct religions. Devoid of rationality.

See also: Germany and nuclear power. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by nebula8804 »

hagbard_c wrote: post #52
tgv wrote: post #40

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And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

Linux has been 'ready for the desktop' for more than a decade, far longer for those who use it 'professionally' so that old trope can be put to pasture. As to what to run on a Linux tablet there's Plasma Mobile (KDE), Ubuntu Touch, Gnome/Phosh, PostmarketOS with any of the above and more. If you're looking for a single 'Linux tablet interface' you won't find it as there is no single 'Linux $thing' anywhere - you get…

Complete disagree. Even today they are still trying to get simple stuff like smooth mouse support working, not to mention random crashes of the desktop due to proprietary driver bugs. Every single pro Linux person always claims their desktop works great. Well good for you. You ain't convincing the mass market anytime soon because Linux is NOT at their standard yet. Even if the powers that be manage to completely lock down computing and we lose the war against general computation, people will still not use Linux.
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