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Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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post #23

Some good comments on this from cryptographer Matt Green here: https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/1800291897245835616?t=C... (I wonder if Matt realizes nobody can read his tweets without a X account? Use BlueSky or Masto man) Edit: here's his thread combined https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1800291897245835616.html?...

> nobody can read his tweets without a X account False; works fine for me logged out or incognito..

I’m on iOS. I can’t see the thread. Incognito or normally.

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

#82
post #78

It is not possible for this to be fully private in the United States because the government not only can force Apple to open up the kimono, it can also forbid it to talk about it. There’s not really anything Apple can do to work around this “limitation”. Thank your “representative” for extending the PATRIOT Act when you get a chance.

Warrant canary

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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post #23

Some good comments on this from cryptographer Matt Green here: https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/1800291897245835616?t=C... (I wonder if Matt realizes nobody can read his tweets without a X account? Use BlueSky or Masto man) Edit: here's his thread combined https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1800291897245835616.html?...

Threads also is popular.

Probably the mainstream Twitter alternative at this point?

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would have to activate a clearly LLM-powered software feature and have internet access. I don't know if settings will appear to disable this, but you could imagine it would be the case. This isn't just siphoning off all your data at random.

Would Spotlight be considered a "clearly LLM-powered software feature"? Will there be an option for "non-AI Spotlight"? Disabling dozens of software features, or identifying all apps which might use LLM services, is a daunting proposition. It would be good to have a PCC kill switch, which makes opt-in usage meaningful, rather than forced.

Privacy "consent" is fundamentally broken. We've moved from "we're doing whatever the fuck we want" to "we're doing whatever the fuck we want, but on paper it's whatever the fuck you expressly asked for, whether you wanted to or not."

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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post #78

It is not possible for this to be fully private in the United States because the government not only can force Apple to open up the kimono, it can also forbid it to talk about it. There’s not really anything Apple can do to work around this “limitation”. Thank your “representative” for extending the PATRIOT Act when you get a chance.

There's a difference between guaranteed privacy and certifiable privacy. Yes, the government can request one's data. However, Apple's system would reveal those intrusions to the public, even if Apple themselves couldn't say it.

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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post #23

Some good comments on this from cryptographer Matt Green here: https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/1800291897245835616?t=C... (I wonder if Matt realizes nobody can read his tweets without a X account? Use BlueSky or Masto man) Edit: here's his thread combined https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1800291897245835616.html?...

> nobody can read his tweets without a X account False; works fine for me logged out or incognito..

No, you can't see the thread. You can see the first post, but X took this away [0].

Nitter still works [1]. Also Threadreader (as can be seen linked in Green's tweet).

[0] https://tweetdelete.net/resources/view-twitter-without-accou... [1] https://nitter.poast.org/matthew_d_green

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

#90
post #56

What I'm most curious about here is if a state actor comes to Apple with a subpoena and compels them to release information on an individual, what would Apple be able to release? ... I suppose this is ultimately a question that will be tested sooner or later in the US.

The more common use case will be when you're locked out of "your" apple id.

The design appears to be entirely ephemeral. There's no personal data to recover here from "your" apple id.
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