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Re: Högertrafikomläggningen

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This almost sounds like a sketch since Sweden has “Norway jokes” where the punchline is consistently how dumb Norwegians are — a structure that I’m sure is mirrored in Norway and similarly in other countries (england/scotland, france/belgium maybe?)

Oh yes. In Norway we have the exact same jokes about the Swedes. One quip which did the rounds in the papers prior to the Swedes starting to drive on the right was that they would perform the switch in several phases - first heavy traffic, then cars a month later...

> In Norway we have the exact same jokes about the Swedes

This is a fairly recent development. When I moved to Sweden in the 1970s, it was so bad I learned Swedish at accelerated rate in order to avoid the kneejerk compulsion of many (if not most) Swedes to tell their favorite jokes about how dumb Norwegians seemed to be. No doubt a consequence of century-old rivalry and the fact that Sweden during the early part of the last century was the larger, richer, most industrialized and organized society in comparison. And they believed much of it to be actually true, in the way that derogatory humor always evokes some degree of "no smoke without fire." To this day, I meet swedes who are surprised at hearing that bananas are not actually called "gulebøj" in Norway (bended yellow) - a reference to how Norwegian is not as anglicized as Swedish, as there has been a pushback against this trend in Norway historically. As Norway has become progressively richer these jokes in Sweden about Norwgians have more or less disappeared however.

The notion that Norwegians nowadays have the same jokes about Swedes is something I hear repeated, but it saddens me nonetheless because it doesn't rhyme with the spirit I remember from my childhood. If true, then it means that a fair number of my present (Swedish) countrymen are being denigrated, perhaps because Norway can now pride themselves on being the richest (real) country in the world per capita, so rich that a lot of swedes migrate here to take the worst paid jobs in restaurants and in hospitals. They are popular as employees because they understand the language and are hard working. And probably because they can take denigrating jokes, maybe because well, they used to do it too. But it's not all that funny, really.

Re: Högertrafikomläggningen

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Train tracks in Sweden are still left-hand traffic

Like in France (excl. Alsace and Lyon metro). But which track trains use has extremely limited effects on the general public.

It's barely noticeable except when I come back from abroad and expect train doors to open on the wrong side, it happens maybe a couple of times until I get used to it again.

Re: Högertrafikomläggningen

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes. In Norway we have the exact same jokes about the Swedes. One quip which did the rounds in the papers prior to the Swedes starting to drive on the right was that they would perform the switch in several phases - first heavy traffic, then cars a month later...

> In Norway we have the exact same jokes about the Swedes This is a fairly recent development. When I moved to Sweden in the 1970s, it was so bad I learned Swedish at accelerated rate in order to avoid the kneejerk compulsion of many (if not most) Swedes to tell their favorite jokes about how dumb Norwegians seemed to be. No doubt a consequence of century-old rivalry and the fact that Sweden during the early part of…

As I remember the 1970s joke wars, they were driven by tabloid newspapers on both sides, and all in good fun between friendly nations.

I learned later that many of the jokes were translated American "Polish jokes".

Re: Högertrafikomläggningen

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I'm curious about examples. I know many languages do not have word::word translations, but a concept that cannot be translated -- even if it needs a full sentence, is a very different thing.

It's like how the Inuit have 35 words for "snow", or the Swedish have 51 words for "tax evasion". Some cultures have a need for nuances that necessarily gets reflected into the local language, nuances which will be lost when bluntly translating into the one category-level word in English.

The Inuit example is a common misconstrual [0]. The ancestor language has three root words that they might modify with a suffix in the way we might use a phrase 'snow on the ground'.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow

Re: Högertrafikomläggningen

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The somewhat hidden (non financial) cost seems to have been giving up on some of the existing public transport services - like trams. The Wikipedia article mentions that briefly towards the end.

I don't get why. Can't you just run the trams in the opposite direction?

Re: Högertrafikomläggningen

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> In Norway we have the exact same jokes about the Swedes This is a fairly recent development. When I moved to Sweden in the 1970s, it was so bad I learned Swedish at accelerated rate in order to avoid the kneejerk compulsion of many (if not most) Swedes to tell their favorite jokes about how dumb Norwegians seemed to be. No doubt a consequence of century-old rivalry and the fact that Sweden during the early part of…

As I remember the 1970s joke wars, they were driven by tabloid newspapers on both sides, and all in good fun between friendly nations. I learned later that many of the jokes were translated American "Polish jokes".

> all in good fun

Well, not everybody's idea of good fun I guess, friendly nations or not.

But what do I know, I only visit Norway once in a blue moon nowadays. I have actually yet to hear a good "swede joke" at all actually; maybe they are just a myth?

Re: Högertrafikomläggningen

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The somewhat hidden (non financial) cost seems to have been giving up on some of the existing public transport services - like trams. The Wikipedia article mentions that briefly towards the end.

I don't get why. Can't you just run the trams in the opposite direction?

It was not done throughout, but cities with trams with doors on only one side posed a problem. So it is my understanding that when such retrofits would have been to costly, the trams were decommissioned instead.

Re: Högertrafikomläggningen

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Having a non-binding referendum and moving against the 85% vote takes balls. And we're forever greatful that they did. Presumably people thought it would be inconvenient and voted no, while politicians realized the cost of doing it later would be much larger than just ripping the band aid off. At the time, the number of massive motorway crossings and similar was probably nearly zero. Today the cost would be unimaginable. We would have caved in the 70s at the latest, and at a cost many times larger.

Re: Högertrafikomläggningen

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Still on escalators everywhere, if you're standing, you stand on the right. If you're passing, you pass on the left.

Everywhere as everywhere in Sweden? I'd guess in London it's the opposite (has been a while, cannot remember).

The escalators in London had signs with "please stand right" the times I've been there.
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