What's the plan for Jakt, the programming language? Does it fall under the SerenityOS umbrella? Will LadyBird continue to use C++? The blog post doesn't mention it.
I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
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Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
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As a Firefox user, this exactly. The amount of things that now need to be toggled off on a new install are approaching Windows “telemetry” levels: disable sponsored shortcuts on homepage, disable experimental “Studies”, sponsored suggestions in search bar, “suggested extensions”, Pocket, and the list goes on. I really need to look into a privacy friendly fork of FF..
I don't use it myself, but Librewolf is a pretty popular fork that attempts to be private out of the box and is usually updated pretty quickly.
Yes, or Waterfox [1].
Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
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Yeah I agree. Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. People say it’s not doable but this here is a real opportunity.
> Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. Chrome is less than 20 years old.
Chrome forked from Webkit, which forked from KHTML, which apparently dates from 4th November 1998, so Chrome's base is 25 years and 7 months old tomorrow.
Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
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> and the project is well funded by large investors. Hmm, why is there no mention of that in the splitting announcement? Did said large investors trigger the drop of SerenityOS because they don't want to waste their resources on a niche hobby platform?
Ladybird does not have investors, only sponsors/donors. We have received some really generous donations in the past, for example $100,000 from Shopify in 2023 which allowed me to hire a few of our contributors to work full time on the project. :) Sponsors have no direct influence over the project, but I obviously feel a strong moral obligation to put 100% of the funds towards improving Ladybird and nothing else.
Apologies, I did mean "well sponsored" not well funded, my mistake :')
You're doing awesome work and I'm really excited for you and the project!
All the best :)
Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
#85Have you considered doing a rewrite (or a partial one) now that third-party libraries can be used? To take all your learnings and new opportunities and use them to rearchitect things.
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#86I fully respect these reasons, they are logical and well said. But hopefully interest in SerenityOS doesn't taper off due to this. Kling was great at garnering interest with his YouTube videos where he'd go deep into bug fixing and feature development. Certainly, the browser has the most potential and even immediate necessity for the sake of the open Web, but I would still like to daily drive SerenityOS some day. Its…
Oh yes, a MacOS like design but open with Unix, that would be amazing!
That was the plan for Étoilé but it didn't get traction for some reason.
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It should be fairly straightforward to get it running on any mainstream *nix system. I only called out macOS and Linux specifically because we have developers actively using those systems day-to-day. :)
I know my comment comes out negative. Shameful wasn't the right word. It's disappointing that there is no target for *BSD.
I'm very respectful for you to attempt such a project. In no way am I dismissing your work but I see more and more projects becoming very mono orientated where it becomes a struggle for other OS's to adopt.
Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I agree. Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. People say it’s not doable but this here is a real opportunity.
> Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. Chrome is less than 20 years old.
KHTML was born in 1998 and became the foundation of Chrome and Safari. All major browsers are over a decade old, or just skins of decade+ old engines.
Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL
#89I fully respect these reasons, they are logical and well said. But hopefully interest in SerenityOS doesn't taper off due to this. Kling was great at garnering interest with his YouTube videos where he'd go deep into bug fixing and feature development. Certainly, the browser has the most potential and even immediate necessity for the sake of the open Web, but I would still like to daily drive SerenityOS some day. Its…
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The audacity to call this shameful is striking to me. If you feel strongly enough that this free, open source, extremely limited resource project (working on one of the largest problem spaces..) doesn't support FreeBSD, port it yourself instead of casting shame on others for not doing it. Hopefully your comment is more lighthearted than I'm giving it credit for.
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