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Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

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Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

#81
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is just one tap, right on the top, not that hard and that the algorithm starts showing you stuff by default before new people follow enough is not that evil is it ?

I didn't say it's evil, but the site is trying to bias you into "engagement". Yes, it's one tap, one tap every time I load the site, plus the four seconds it takes for the new view to load.

Pass.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

#82
post #5

So I have never really used twitter much and I don't think I even signed up for it ever. But I want to double check something -- is it the case now, as this post suggests, that if you follow somebody, you do not see their posts? Isn't that the main purpose for the follow function? Why would you do that? Why would you have a follow function and break it? And what else do you show people? I mean if your user follows so…

There are two tabs on the Twitter ios app. The first is called “For You,” and the next “Following.” The first appears to be randomised or from The Algorithm, but as I far as I can tell, it’s mostly random. The second also seems randomised but from people you follow.

> The second also seems randomised but from people you follow.

That’s not true.

The following tab is only showing you who do you follow with posts in chronological order

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

#84
post #65

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This has a neat side effect though - people who pay for attention usually have nothing interesting to say, so it becomes a good filter of what to ignore.

Making the blue tick into a marker of "paid to be promoted, I have nothing to say" was another instantly backfiring decision.

Of all the stupid Twitter design decisions new management has made, that's the one that baffles me most, because _everyone knows that pay-for-attention doesn't work_ as a dynamic. Social media has known this doesn't work since more or less before social media existed, because _dating sites_ have been trying to make it work, with very limited success, for 25 years now.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

#85
There is a way to make twitter usable. Mass blocking.

And I do like the "For you" feed. I do want to read random people's tweets, I keep finding solid reading material that way. But that means I have to block a significant portion of all of twitter. I'd say after about 50k to 100k accounts blocked it gets better. Less for other languages.

There are browser plug-ins that block all accounts that follow a given account. Those are great. So, whenever I find a MAGA guy with Russian grammar structure, an NFT scammer, a bible quote proselytizer, or a Tesla bag holder, I just block everybody following that account.

It takes about a day or two of doing, but then it works great. Best done when sick, works well with headaches and a fever. But now my twitter experience is about as good as it was 2017.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

#86
post #14

This is the reason I really like Mastodon. No algorithm, just timesorted posts by who you follow.

I wanted to love Mastodon.

While slightly better, both seem to me like an utter waste of time to me.

There is just an unsolvable, signal to noise problem when it comes to a personal optimal feed for me.

The content I will like best will not be popular. If that is true then it is hopeless for me because of the scaling properties of the assumptions of the system and incentives for users of the system.

I am better off just talking to chatGPT4o and it isn't even close.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

#87
post #62

My feed looks like this: 1) "Facebook style" post are proliferating, that is memes from last year and images/videos from 5 years ago 2) Too many "cookie cutter" posts, that is variation of formats like "100 million people are using AI but %99 are using it wrong" 3) Propaganda accounts pushing narratives, that is something like "before everything was great, now everything is bad. what changed?", then with flood of rep…

Yup, 9- is the reason (and only one) why I still use Twitter. The rest of the content is absolute garbage, as illustrated in the "for you" tab which seems to be a mix of all your other points. There is btw a browser extension called "control pannel for twitter" available for FF and Chrome which let you hide the "for you" tab (among other options). Very useful on desktop. No such option for mobile though.

For mobile, “Control Panel for Twitter” has a paid safari extension for iOS or a free user script version for any browser that supports a user script manager. Unfortunately solutions like these only work on the web app, rather than the native app.

https://github.com/insin/control-panel-for-twitter

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

#88
post #53
post #20

Good timing... I'm building an alternative to Twitter and nearing our launch date. It's focused on devs and HN readers, even having an integration with HN.

What's your motivation for building this when alternatives like Mastodon already exist?

Mine requires karma on other networks, like HN, before users can post. It reduces spam and fake accounts. However, u can still post anonymously then choose to reveal your username later anytime. Posts support Markdown. It also integrates with the tools I use, for example if you post a link to a blog and that blog happens to have been on HN too then it shows the HN icon with the HN post points and a link to the HN comments, automatically. If you post a link to a repo, it tags the post with the main language of that repo automatically so the post can be filtered easier. The feed is like Tweetdeck so users have control over what they see instead of an algorithm. Posts have structured data associated, like program language, so they can be searched/filtered easier. That way you decide what to see on your feed using metadata about the posts instead of an algorithm deciding for you. Infinite scroll isn't the goal, it becomes more useful like HN or Reddit.

There's much more, that's just a few features making it a social platform I enjoy using instead of a time waste like the infinite scroll algorithm based ones.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

#89
post #49
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same with YT. Use https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions exclusively

If you have no watch history, they don’t even show you recommended videos in the home page anymore. I see that as generally positive

This. Disabled history with a subscription makes YouTube a good boy.

Re: Twitter is now attention roulette and ultimately meaningless

#90
post #20

Good timing... I'm building an alternative to Twitter and nearing our launch date. It's focused on devs and HN readers, even having an integration with HN.

What is your proposal for adding (or capturing) value?

See my other comment here.
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