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Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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There is no source; black text on a white background. How do we know this is real?

It was posted by the tech reporter at NPR. Inb4 “journos can’t be trusted” blah blah blah, here in reality NPR is a reputable org and a reasonable person’s Bayesian priors would put this at “almost certainly an actual statement from ScarJo.”

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Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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I think it’s interesting that Johansson chose to forgo substantial royalties and collaboration potential But it must feel pretty fucking weird and violatory when you spend your entire life thinking about how you are going to deliver certain lines and that’s your creative Body of work, and then for someone to just take that Voice and apply it to any random text that can be generated? I get why she wouldn’t want to let…

ScarJo probably has enough money for ten lifetimes already. The potential downside of signing your identity away to a SV plutocrat with questionable morality and world-changing technology is enormous. And it seems like she was instantly vindicated in not trusting him.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Well, this confirms that OpenAI have been shooting from the hip, not that we needed much confirmation. The fact that they repeatedly tried to hire Johansson, then went ahead and made a soundalike while explicitly describing that they were trying to make it be like her voice in the movie … is pretty bad for them.

It’s definitely sketchy (classic OpenAI) But my question is: is what they did actually illegal? Can someone copyright their own voice?

Yes, absolutely illegal. You don't need to copyright anything, you simply own the rights your own likeness -- your visual appearance and your voice.

A company can't take a photo from your Facebook and plaster it across an advertisement for their product without you giving them the rights to do that.

And if you're a known public figure, this includes lookalikes and soundalikes as well. You can't hire a ScarJo impersonator that people will think is ScarJo.

This is clearly a ScarJo soundalike. It doesn't matter whether it's an AI voice or clone or if they hired someone to sound just like her. Because she's a known public figure, that's illegal if she hasn't given them the rights.

(However, if you generate a synthetic voice that just happens to sound exactly like a random Joe Schmo, it's allowed because Joe Schmo isn't a public figure, so there's no value in the association.)

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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> 4. Naughtiness > Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big questions right, but not about observing proprieties. That's why I'd use the word naughty rather than evil. They delight in breaking rules, but not rules that matter. This quality may be redundant though; it ma…

This quote actually makes me disgusted. I don't think this is a quality to encourage on, especially since despite the tone it reads more as abuse.

I think governance is overly restrictive and stifles innovation. For example I love that Uber and Airbnb exist even though they both sort of skirt or acceptably break rules in place that a complete rule follower wouldn’t have violated.

Taking taxis 15 years ago was an absolute scammy shitty experience and it’s only marginally better now thanks to an actual competitive marketplace

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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I think it’s interesting that Johansson chose to forgo substantial royalties and collaboration potential But it must feel pretty fucking weird and violatory when you spend your entire life thinking about how you are going to deliver certain lines and that’s your creative Body of work, and then for someone to just take that Voice and apply it to any random text that can be generated? I get why she wouldn’t want to let…

Were royalties in the picture? Don't think it's crazy to think that a company obsessed with replacing artists wouldn't value one enough to pay royalties.

And in terms of collaboration potential... OpenAI is a big draw for businesses and a subset of tech enthusiasts, but I don't think artists in any industry are dying to collaborate with them.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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> 4. Naughtiness > Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big questions right, but not about observing proprieties. That's why I'd use the word naughty rather than evil. They delight in breaking rules, but not rules that matter. This quality may be redundant though; it ma…

This quote actually makes me disgusted. I don't think this is a quality to encourage on, especially since despite the tone it reads more as abuse.

It's actually the most rational thing I've heard quoted from him. You have to be willing to open the box to see what's inside to know if you can do it better/cheaper/faster/smaller. There's ways of doing that without breaking laws, or doing something unethical with the what you learn. There's also ways of doing it without destroying something or violating anyone/anything. It also allows you to hear their response to see if where person is in that rationale. Do they toe the lines, do they run right across it, do they bend but not break, do they scorched earth everything they touch?

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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> 4. Naughtiness > Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big questions right, but not about observing proprieties. That's why I'd use the word naughty rather than evil. They delight in breaking rules, but not rules that matter. This quality may be redundant though; it ma…

The problem is this line:

> They delight in breaking rules, but not rules that matter.

The question becomes "what rules matter?". And the answer inevitably becomes "only the ones that work in my favor and/or that I agree with".

I think someone trying to defend this would go "oh come on, does it really matter if a rich actress gets slightly richer?" And no, honestly, it doesn't matter that much. Not to me, anyway. But it matters that it establishes (or rather, confirms and reinforces) a culture of disregard and makes it about what you think matters, and not about what someone else might think matters about the things in their life. Their life belongs to them, a fact that utopians have forgotten again and again everywhere and everywhen. And once all judgement is up to you, if you're a sufficiently ambitious and motivated reasoner (and the kind of person we're talking about here is), you can justify pretty much whatever you want without that pesky real-world check of a person going "um actually no I don't want you to do that".

Sometimes I think anti-tech takes get this wrong. They see the problem as breaking the rules at all, as disrupting the status quo at all, as taking any action that might reasonably be foreseen to cause harm. But you do really have to do that if you want to make something good sometimes. You can't foresee every consequence of your actions - I doubt, for example, that Airbnb's founders were thinking about issues with housing policy when they started their company. But what differentiates behavior like this from risk-taking is that the harm here is deliberate and considered. Mistakes happen, but this was not a mistake. It was a choice to say "this is mine now".

That isn't a high bar to clear. And I think we can demand that tech leaders clear it without stifling the innovation that is tech at its best.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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> 4. Naughtiness > Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big questions right, but not about observing proprieties. That's why I'd use the word naughty rather than evil. They delight in breaking rules, but not rules that matter. This quality may be redundant though; it ma…

So a kind of lack of empathy? Do these guys have this image of "autists" and are basically filtering for them, cause this criteria seems to be favoring oppositional defiance disorder.

I mention this specifically because I remember mark andreseen comment something similar in lex fridman's podcast, something along the lines of getting "those creative people" together to build on ai.

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