At this point, any decent alternative like duckduckgo or qwant is organically better than google
How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
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Re: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
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Then maybe you might be interested in Marginalia Search https://search.marginalia.nu/
> Then maybe you might be interested in Marginalia Search https://search.marginalia.nu/ I have tried it before, but it appears to me that it dismisses all commercial content altogether, which is not what I want. That is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. For example, I searched for "The Vietnam of computer science" (Without the quotes) and it returned zero results.
>but it appears to me that it dismisses all commercial content altogether, which is not what I want
Isn't it? You want to downrank for ads and downrank for paywalls. How is commercial content supposed to be funded?
Re: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
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It's your ranking system, so it's correct by definition (for you), but I've got to point out you're not considering the quality of the text. In your model, an empty page is perfect. Cynically, maybe you're on to something...
> It's your ranking system, so it's correct by definition (for you), but I've got to point out you're not considering the quality of the text. Yes. This is by design! [1] > In your model, an empty page is perfect. Yes. What's the problem with that? An empty page won't match any search terms, will it? [1] It's impossible to quickly and cheaply determine the quality of the text, in an age where it's cheaper for a blog-…
I think this is a great idea. I really like the principle.
But it does miss the point that you need a huge amount of resources. Plus 20 billion or so to get Apple to use your search.
Re: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
#84Honest question - why still use Google at all? Whenever DDG became good enough (seven? ten? years ago?) I used it exclusively. Lately I use a mix and have moved on from DDG, but I still never went back to Google and don't understand how people can tolerate it; I find the results really bad.
> Honest question - why still use Google at all? Whenever DDG became good enough (seven? ten? years ago?) I used it exclusively. Lately I use a mix and have moved on from DDG, but I still never went back to Google and don't understand how people can tolerate it; I find the results really bad. To me, DDG's results seem relevant-ish, while Google clearly knows my profile and what I'm looking for. I get more relevant re…
yeah googles very relevant answers such as hiding reddit results that happen to be the best answer
Re: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
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> allow logged-in users to down-rank a site, etc. And then you need a huge anti-bot mechanism if the search engine will get any popularity. There is money-based motivation to affect the rankings.
Karma, occasional moderation rights, and occasional meta-moderation rights worked pretty well at Slashdot, for instance. It depends heavily on user involvement though.
Yeah, there is a dilemma. To get a wider audience, you need very good search results. But if you search quality depends on the amount of users, how do you get in there?
People like power, that keeps them moderating (looking at Facebook groups). What kind of reward system works here?
Re: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's your ranking system, so it's correct by definition (for you), but I've got to point out you're not considering the quality of the text. Yes. This is by design! [1] > In your model, an empty page is perfect. Yes. What's the problem with that? An empty page won't match any search terms, will it? [1] It's impossible to quickly and cheaply determine the quality of the text, in an age where it's cheaper for a blog-…
I think this is a great idea. I really like the principle. But it does miss the point that you need a huge amount of resources. Plus 20 billion or so to get Apple to use your search.
If it is actually as much better as it sounds, even apple users will find a way to set their search engine to what works once word of mouth gets around. (Until Apple turns that option off and waits for for the EU to pass another gatekeeper law anyway.)
If it is actually as much better as it sounds, one wonders why Google or Duckduckgo doesn't do this already. For Google, killing the advertisement incentive is probably counterproductive in the long run, but why doesn't DDG?
Re: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
#87Unfortunately it seems that Safari hijacks all google.com/search?q= urls and strips all (or at least utm) query params, except q, when google is set to the default search engine! Even pasting in https://google.com/search?q=apple+sauce&utm=14 to the url bar doesn't work. The only way I was able to get this to work was set DuckDuckGo (or anything non-google) as the default search engine, then use the extension "Smart K…
Great tip for the smart keyboard search! I was wondering how can I do this is Safari...(this AI crap is not live in the UK yet btw)
Re: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
#88I want to make my own search engine, one day, with my own crawler. There is an SEO-proof way to determine what the ranking of a site should be - penalise it for each advertisement, penalise further for delivering different content to the crawler[1], allow logged-in users to down-rank a site, etc. Basically, a site starts off with a perfect score, then gets penalised for each violation, for each dark-pattern, for each…
> There is an SEO-proof way to determine what the ranking of a site should be This comment deserves a "my sweet summer child". Everything can be gamed; if you don't see how, then you really shouldn't be suggesting ideas. How do you define an advertisement? How do you prevent downvote spam (if captchas worked, there wouldn't be bots/astroturfers on the Internet)? How will you fund your search engine?
> This comment deserves a "my sweet summer child".
I think being condescending really removes any impact from any point you want to make. After all, I posed this as an idle musing, not as a all-in venture, didn't I?
> Everything can be gamed; if you don't see how, then you really shouldn't be suggesting ideas.
If people are gaming the engine by avoiding all the penalties, then that's the exact sort of gaming I would like to see happen.
I mean, you have read through the rest of the thread, here, right?
Re: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
#89I made something that achieves the same thing[1] except it uses Google's Programmable Search Engines. It's self-hosted and you can configure it the same way as the article using the `%s` string substitution.
Re: How I Made Google's "Web" View My Default Search
#90I want to make my own search engine, one day, with my own crawler. There is an SEO-proof way to determine what the ranking of a site should be - penalise it for each advertisement, penalise further for delivering different content to the crawler[1], allow logged-in users to down-rank a site, etc. Basically, a site starts off with a perfect score, then gets penalised for each violation, for each dark-pattern, for each…
Let's collaborate
If you've got capital, I'd love to :-)
On a more serious note, I'm actually very busy trying to make money, so I don't really explore things that can't pay off unless they are small.
Something like a crawler + engine is very capital intensive.