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'I'm the new Oppenheimer ': Palantir's first-ever AI warfare conference

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Re: 'I'm the new Oppenheimer ': Palantir's first-ever AI warfare conference

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Post by notaustinpowers »

justin66 wrote: post #46
wolverine876 wrote: post #24

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That's really looking for problems. The Palantir CEO said things much more extreme: As the moderator asked general questions about the panelists’ views on the future of war, Schmidt and Cohen answered cautiously. But Karp, who’s known as a provocateur, aggressively condoned violence, often peering into the audience with hungry eyes, palpably desperate for claps, boos or shock. He began by saying that the US has to “s…

I don't disagree. So why not post an honest headline?

Gotta get those sweet, sweet clicks babyyyyyy

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

asah wrote: post #49
legohead wrote: post #41

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I think it's more lame to disregard this ideology. What if Germany had the nuke first? "oh well, at least we held to our morals" There's this ideal human sociology, and then there's the reality of what we really are. It takes a unique person to accept it, and do the wrong thing for the right reason, and also be able to steer things in the eventual right direction.

interesting example because we defeated Germany without nukes...

> we defeated Germany without nukes

In part by firebombing them indiscriminately. The way we won WWII would later be technically outlawed by the Geneva Conventions.

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Post by IOT_Apprentice »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #65
nen-nomad wrote: post #29

> “The peace activists are war activists,” Karp insisted. “We are the peace activists.” They are literally saying, "War is Peace".

If you think the world is better off with the US as a global policing power then one could argue that having an overwhelming force is key to sustaining peace. So war isn't peace but being 10x stronger than everyone can be.

"The result for citizens in the US is disastrous. It mirrors the decline of the Roman Empire, which spent extravagantly on its legions, and the only growth came from conquering other peoples, looting them, and taxing them. This threat could not be sustained forever, and so the gold and silver coins were reduced in precious metal content, and the treasury (like the USA, which just prints money like a never-ending waterfall) created debased coins, resulting in inflation.

Just as the US doesn't invest in infrastructure the way other countries do or have an efficient nationalized healthcare system.

Why? We burn trillions on military and weapons. The military-industrial complex must be fed, and it is always hungry.

Think about retirement, healthcare costs, and the greedflation by corporations, as well as the government taxing your Social Security. It is intentional cruelty."

Re: 'I'm the new Oppenheimer ': Palantir's first-ever AI warfare conference

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Post by IOT_Apprentice »

tinyhouse wrote: post #34
nen-nomad wrote: post #29

> “The peace activists are war activists,” Karp insisted. “We are the peace activists.” They are literally saying, "War is Peace".

War against enemies such ISIS is indeed leading to peace.

The US created ISIS in Afghanistan via their proxy war with Russia. Reap what you sow.

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Post by unclebucknasty »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #62
pdimitar wrote: post #61

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Please clarify? I don't know if war is "legitimate" but it's a fact of life even for something as innocuous as two flocks of cute parrots. Not to mention ant colonies, chimp factions etc. War is real.

> War is real This is the generous parsing of what Luckey et al were saying. The "war is illegitimate" crowd the ones they were mocking as disconnected from reality. (Albeit, in a nice way.)

It's easy to mock when it's caricaturized. And, so is the ”War is peace" position when taken to the extremes by perma-hawks, who've never seen a problem that couldn't be solved with an explosion.

As often, the solution lies in the middle. We do need strength as deterrent, but over-focus on this leads to an infinitely escalating need for more strength.

But let's be clear: war is illegitimate. That we have not found a better way to resolve conflict does not legitimize it. Killing people with whom you disagree at-scale is insane on its face.

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Post by indigo0086 »

psychlops wrote: post #58

So liability for collateral damage will move from the military to a corporate AI. A bug in a program to be fixed. The reach of war (already not needing approval of the people) will be cheaper and less accountable.

Ai has no more agency, will, or intent as the software warmongers currently use now. The problem is any collateral damage or mistakes will be defended zealously and resolved within the military organization in the same ways it is now

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Post by greenavocado »

itsanaccount wrote: post #80
unclebucknasty wrote: post #64

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Can you describe this deep state? Is it in the room with us now?

As dismissive as I am of the last presidents constant prodding of a "deep state" conspiracy, is it really any question that such a group exists? And in case rhetorical questions are lost on this site, the answer is no, and its not appropriate to mock. Practically we know working in companies "leadership" only has a vague capability to steer the sheep, and that control becomes more and more vague every day. It seems t…

Agree with this sentiment plus the Department of State 7th Floor Group to be more specific

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Post by rysertio »

croes wrote: post #55
alan-hn wrote: post #32

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No the ones with less scruples are cutting the drug supply with harmful stuff including but not limited to xylazine and fentanyl/nitazene analogs

Because it much better to die from clean overdose? That's like saying, I kill people with a clean knife, I don't want them to get an infection from a dirty blade.

you're less likely to die from a fentanyl shot that you know the exact concentration of, than injecting adulterated white powder with nothing to base the dosage on.

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Post by legitster »

legohead wrote: post #41
croes wrote: post #22

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>if you refuse to build it, someone with less scruples will. Pretty lame excuse. If I don't sell drugs, some else will. If you're doing it, you are already the one with less scruples. Do you think the victims care about the scruples of the perpetrator?

I think it's more lame to disregard this ideology. What if Germany had the nuke first? "oh well, at least we held to our morals" There's this ideal human sociology, and then there's the reality of what we really are. It takes a unique person to accept it, and do the wrong thing for the right reason, and also be able to steer things in the eventual right direction.

It's pretty telling that the German nuclear scientists themselves were somewhat relieved that the US developed the bomb before them:

https://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2320

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