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Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by bauruine »

zer00eyz wrote: post #41

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

Sounds like XGS-PON which is limited to around 8Gbit/s and those are shared with up to 64 other customers. If you constantly use it at prime time they could get angry way sooner when the other customers on your PON tree start complaining.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by lesuorac »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #72
FredPret wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The market works when there's at least 4-5 competitors. That's enough to make monopolistic backroom deals impractical.

That is what driving me nuts about these threads. These aren’t free markets. They’re government regulated into being something else entirely, then people stomp their feet and complain about capitalism.

Uh, how did the government forbid there from being more than one ISP in a neighborhood?

The regionalization of ISPs is entirely their own doing to avoid competition.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by bugbuddy »

nightfly wrote: post #68
userbinator wrote: post #66

As someone who has 1/1000th of that bandwidth to the Internet, and yet still only saturates that connection when transferring from some nearby sites, I'm curious how useful having a 10Gbps local connection will actually turn out to be in practice. Being able to download Linux ISOs faster is the prominent use case that comes to mind.

Large families.

Is that a Jab at my friends in Utah?

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by qwerpy »

mtnGoat wrote: post #2

We’ve had symmetrical 1gb fiber owned and installed by our public utilities for almost two decades here in central Washington. Was $80 a month until a year or two ago, then it went down to $60.

Meanwhile over here in Bellevue, home of T-Mobile and (close enough) Microsoft, I’m stuck with Comcast or really crappy DSL. How is it that central WA gets way better internet than Bellevue? Oh right. Comcast lobbying.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by defrost »

userbinator wrote: post #66

As someone who has 1/1000th of that bandwidth to the Internet, and yet still only saturates that connection when transferring from some nearby sites, I'm curious how useful having a 10Gbps local connection will actually turn out to be in practice. Being able to download Linux ISOs faster is the prominent use case that comes to mind.

{ Multiple people in household each having multi-party high resolution video calls | band practice | data manipulation collaborations | 4K TV on demand } can suck up the bandwidth when the priority is smooth real-time with low interactive latency.

It's not always going to be peak demand, but it'll be noticable when everybody piles on at particular times of day.

TBH I have relatively low bandwidth most of the time and don't notice download speeds at all as I queue the things I want and return to working on what's in front of me.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by i2shar »

zer00eyz wrote: post #63
jorts wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I LOVE Sonic. I also have the 10Gb internet for $50/month and I can’t even use that much bandwidth. Also their customer service is amazing. I was caught off guard when I called in for an issue and a local person answered when I expected it to go to a machine. They also support net neutrality.

> I can’t even use that much bandwidth. I built an opnsense box (part of my proxmox cluster) and passed through a dual 10gbe nic. That whole PC was cheaper than any off the shelf routing solution I could find. The rest of the network is going to take time... I suspect that im gonna end up with a few fiber runs in the house before all is said and done.

What networking gear do you use inside your home? What router? Do they terminate an actual fiber connection (SFP+) to your home or you get 10GB Ethernet?

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by NAR8789 »

jorts wrote: post #49
zer00eyz wrote: post #41

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

I LOVE Sonic. I also have the 10Gb internet for $50/month and I can’t even use that much bandwidth. Also their customer service is amazing. I was caught off guard when I called in for an issue and a local person answered when I expected it to go to a machine. They also support net neutrality.

I once called Sonic on a weekend because my modem kept rebooting. They answered immediately, and the debugging felt like magic.

"My modem keeps rebooting."

"Put the modem to your ear. Is it hissing?"

"Um...? Yes. Yes, it's hissing."

"Bad capacitors. We'll send you a new one."

This was during the Capacitor Plague https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague , so clearly he'd seen this before. Still, fastest support resolution I've ever experienced.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by basil-rash »

ssl-3 wrote: post #79
bee_rider wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is probably not a terrible configuration for a lot of users. It is disappointing that the internet didn’t remain a network of mostly peers where everyone might host something. But, realistically, lots of people approximately just use their bandwidth to stream video, right?

Netflix themselves say that 15Mbps is enough for 4k. 1.2Gbps downstream is enough for >50 such 4k video streams without saturation -- something that will probably never happen in any household, even in Grandma's house on Christmas Eve with a bunch of grandkids around. Meanwhile, I've had single-player games of Factorio of medium complexity that would saturate 20Mbps upstream. Nobody needs a connection that is so heav…

Why is single player factorio phoning home so heavily?

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by rsingel »

zer00eyz wrote: post #41

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

Sonic (I'm 95% sure that's your provider) won't ever bother you. Bandwidth is cheap once the lines are in.

Got a sub $700 Mac with 10Gb port just to test their redunk speeds.

The future is fun

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by rsingel »

caseyf7 wrote: post #67
zer00eyz wrote: post #41

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

Sonic is reselling AT&T fiber in most situations, but they provide their own support which is nice if you need it. If the problem is with the fiber, you are still relying on AT&T.

Nope, they have laid a ton of fiber. Not giving AT&T a dime and loving the fast connection.
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