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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Can you blame the engineers? If you realize LLM tech is neat but ultimately overhyped and probably decades away from truly realizing the promises of general purpose AI, why not just switch goals to making as much money as you can?

Yes you absolutely can blame them for it. This type of shift (and a million other possible permutations) is why we invented the concept of "charters" around the same time we invented writing. The entire point of the pre-commitment device is because you (or other stakeholders) are anticipating that your thinking will get distorted over time. If you could be trusted to make such a decision in the future then you wouldn…

It’s like joining a non profit trying to protect the rain forest and then finding gold. They say screw the forest let’s mine gold now. Do the original employees then stay. Same here. Greed infected them all

Weclome to San Francisco

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Ilya will literally have a blank check from almost all the VC's in the industry.

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Comments like this make me wonder whether I'm on reddit or HN.

The future trajectory of AI isn't tied to Nvidia's stock in the same way the web didn't thrive or die on Cisco being the most valuable company in the world 24 years ago.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Comments like this make me wonder whether I'm on reddit or HN. The future trajectory of AI isn't tied to Nvidia's stock in the same way the web didn't thrive or die on Cisco being the most valuable company in the world 24 years ago.

Yeah what. That guy above you is absolutely blind.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Since it's all in proper casing I'm going to assume he wrote it with chatgpt.

He used “easily one of the greatest minds of our generation” for two different people in the same message. 100% ai generated

it said one was "easily one of the greatest", and it said the second was "also easily one of the greatest"... it's puffery but it's not an awkward or mindless formulation.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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I'll say it again - the one who was irreplaceable at OpenAI is Ilya, not Sam.

Just the opinion of an outsider, so not worth very much. But Ilya seemed to be one of the few who actually believed in the mission. I’m sure it was hard for him to watch the company become so product focused.

OpenAI under Sam strikes me as completely disingenuous - and the constant hyperbolic tweeting by many OpenAI employees just reinforces that.

Too bad. While I don’t really think that OpenAI is on the right track for general intelligence, it certainly could have been a positive for the world.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Altman's tweet ( https://x.com/sama/status/1790518031640347056?s=46 ) makes it seem as if he wanted to stay, and Ilya disagreed and "chose" to depart. Very interesting framing.

Altman is the biggest con artist in tech.

Surely he would have never gotten his current role if that is the case. There's way too much money and visibility involved.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Can you blame the engineers? If you realize LLM tech is neat but ultimately overhyped and probably decades away from truly realizing the promises of general purpose AI, why not just switch goals to making as much money as you can?

Yes. They joined OpenAI with the understanding that it was meant to be an non-profit with a mission to benefit humanity.

This entire saga is really an example of the absurdity of non-profits and philanthropy in general.

The only difference between nonprofit and for-profit entities is that nonprofits divert their profits to a nebulous “cause”, with the investors receiving nothing, while for-profits can distribute profits to their funders.

Other than that, they are free to operate identically.

Generally, entities subject to competitive pressures and with incentives for performance are much better at “benefitting humanity.” Therefore, non-profit status really only makes sense when, one, a profitable enterprise oriented around the intended result isn’t viable (e.g., conservation) or two, there’s a stakeholder that we’ve decided ought to be sheltered from the dynamics of private enterprise, e.g, university students or neutral public broadcasters.

But even in these cases, the non-profit entities basically behave like profit-oriented companies, because their goal is still profitability, just without a return to investors.

OpenAI as a nonprofit would behave the exact same way. There’s no law that the models would have to be open. They’d still be making closed models, charging users, and paying massive salaries. Literally the only difference is that they wouldn’t be able to return money to their investors, and therefore have a much harder time attracting investors, and therefore be less equipped to accomplishing their goal of developing powerful AI.

The irony is that nonprofits are usually only good for things that make for shitty businesses, and things that make shitty businesses usually aren’t that beneficial to humanity. As soon as something becomes really good at what it does, for-profit status makes sense.

What this means, imo, is that most philanthropy dollars are wasted and we would be much better off if they were invested instead. The irony is that this is the point of much philanthropic giving - it ends up being a game of how much money you can burn on nothing, a crass status symbol.

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