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Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

Maybe because kids aren't stupid and they can tell Western society doesn't practice real piety, doesn't respect celibacy, doesn't care about the health of its citizens, and glorifies recklessness over studious caution? You can't preach what you don't practice. (Hopefully I don't sound like I'm criticizing Western decadence too much. I'm actually a big fan of decadence!)

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> students have learned mindfulness techniques like breath awareness, thought observation, and emotional monitoring as part of their regular curriculum Children are full of energy - they need to be let loose and run around. It’s like trying to teach peaceful and quite a 6 months old dog - you can’t. You need to let them burn all that energy.

The "mindfulness" techniques and breathing techniques ultimately come from the Hindu/Buddhist school of thought and is much bigger than the cargo cult way the western society seem to have picked up from them.

> Children are full of energy - they need to be let loose and run around.

The masters of the original mindfulness techniques would agree.

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Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

School's are unique to the western human experience in that they are one of the only things you can't really "escape". We mandate children go to them, they have no choice in which one they go to, they have no ability to "quit" one and go to another if they don't like it (i.e. while this is not entirely true of employment, it's true enough and the effects on adults when it is not are pretty similar degrees of psychological trauma from hostile work environments and workplace bullying).

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Maybe because kids aren't stupid and they can tell Western society doesn't practice real piety, doesn't respect celibacy, doesn't care about the health of its citizens, and glorifies recklessness over studious caution? You can't preach what you don't practice. (Hopefully I don't sound like I'm criticizing Western decadence too much. I'm actually a big fan of decadence!)

What you're doing is criticizing decadence from an epicurean perspective.

Pretty much. "Have fun, just don't be stupid about it." I have a deep suspicion of proponents of asceticism.

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Religious education in schools often fails because the kids can tell the adults teaching it don’t really believe in it themselves. If the person who wants you to believe it doesn’t actually do so, why should you? And then when they do really believe in it, more often than not rather than “I’ve thought deeply about all the doubts and I can give thoughtful responses to them”, their attitude is more “asking tough questi…

And thank goodness for that. Here in the UK we’re in the weird and untenable position of providing state funding for religious schools, so I (an atheist taxpayer) am helping fund these indoctrination attempts. https://humanists.uk/campaigns/schools-and-education/faith-s...

> Here in the UK we’re in the weird and untenable position of providing state funding for religious schools

Australia has been doing that since the 1960s. State governments fund public schools, federal government funds private schools (the majority of which are religious)

The Catholic Church forced them into it by threatening to close its private schools and send all the students to public ones, thereby overwhelming the public school system. They actually temporarily did that in one small Australian city (the “Goulburn school strike” in 1962), [0] just so everyone knew they weren’t bluffing. Their brinkmanship paid off; although the system funds all private schools equally (both secular and religious), the Catholic Church has always been the largest beneficiary, since it controls more Australian private schools than any other organisation (around 54% on an enrolment basis)

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulburn_School_Strike

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Get out of your routine and introduce some dissonance. Outside is an endless miasma of geometric and color gradient state change overload for the brain, garbage collects the social objects we’re forced to hallucinate. Sit in one spot too long and it all goes fractal.

It's interesting that you say that. Recently I went on a trip where I had my phone and I was largely in urban environments, but I spent lots of time (most of each day) just walking around cities and looking around. I felt so calm and balanced, even though there was tons of noise and traffic and things I might assume would induce stress. Garbage collection of social objects is an interesting way to put that phenomenon…

It’s all just recursive computation and memoization of the important bits.

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Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

Maybe because kids aren't stupid and they can tell Western society doesn't practice real piety, doesn't respect celibacy, doesn't care about the health of its citizens, and glorifies recklessness over studious caution? You can't preach what you don't practice. (Hopefully I don't sound like I'm criticizing Western decadence too much. I'm actually a big fan of decadence!)

Hypocrisy has always been a problem.

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And thank goodness for that. Here in the UK we’re in the weird and untenable position of providing state funding for religious schools, so I (an atheist taxpayer) am helping fund these indoctrination attempts. https://humanists.uk/campaigns/schools-and-education/faith-s...

> Here in the UK we’re in the weird and untenable position of providing state funding for religious schools Australia has been doing that since the 1960s. State governments fund public schools, federal government funds private schools (the majority of which are religious) The Catholic Church forced them into it by threatening to close its private schools and send all the students to public ones, thereby overwhelming…

Feels extremely silly that the government would allow this threat to still stand. Feels like when this happened, it should have sparked an initiative that every child could attend public school if they wanted. I get bending in the moment, but that's a kind of threat that should have no teeth for a nation's government IMO.

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Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

For matters ecological, the Viridian Manifesto (Bruce Sterling) is aware of this and interprets it as damage and routes around it.

https://www.viridiandesign.org/manifesto.html

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