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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#81

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Doesn't this mean that game consoles should be gatekeepers too like from sony/nintendo/microsoft?

They most likely are, but Microsoft actually does allow sideloading on Xbox in some capacity.

I don't believe that's true. Can you provide some details? There are some programs indie devs can use to get software on Xbox, but they require approval from MS, which is the opposite of side loading.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#82

I'm genuinely surprised by this. I figured the differences between tablets and phones, combined with Apple's efforts to distinguish between 'iPadOS' and 'iOS', would be enough to get them a win on this point. If the shared app store is part of the problem I wonder if that makes it a liability for any new apple ecosystem to tie into the App Store, like Vision OS for example.

Apple's effort to distinguish between iPadOS and iOS has never fooled anyone

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#83
post #62

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Oh, the sentiment was there alright. You must've forgotten how Jobs was in general and his massive annoyance when he explained this "workaround" in particular. Of course , it was users' fault. They have always been simpletons. "You are holding it wrong" is spot on. It captures extremely accurately the very essence of Jobs' attitude towards the users.

The words they said did not and could not capture your perception of the former Apple CEO. They are different things.

"They" is Jobs.

"All phones have sensitive areas," Jobs wrote. "Just avoid holding it in this way."

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2010/06/jobs-on-iphone-4-ant...

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#84
I am happy to see Apple's arm twisted, but disappointed the demand is to allow alternative app stores and not user-facing side-loading. In my view, having only the official Apple App Store is just fine as long as Apple also adds the ability to install an app off an unsigned IPA file for free. With that, users would be free to install apps that Apple don't deem fit for the app store, giving them the freedom to use their device as they see fit.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#85

EU seems like it’s just going to keep daring Apple to exit their market. I’m looking forward to their regulations requiring Apple to write open source drivers for the alternative operating system installs they’ll be required to allow.

It will probably happen at some point. In 1990, the EU was easy to do business in and represented 25% of world GDP. Now it’s exceeding difficult to do business in and represents just 14% of world GDP. If those two trends continue, there will be a point where it’s just not worth it for large companies to be threatened with fines on their “global turnover”.

There is literally no chance of Apple exiting Europe. Don't be silly. Next largest consumer market would be China. Good luck finding economic freedom there.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#86

Do I think side-loading and alt app stores would make iPads and iPhones more versatile devices? Yes. Do I believe indie devs will be worse off? Unfortunately, also yes. If you are a solo app developer, you will now have to keep presence on all app stores out there, since if you don’t publish on one then a copycat will. Every store would have its own review processes, fee structures, billing and tax procedures. Since…

> I believe

Maybe give it some time to see how things shake out, before tying yourself to strong "beliefs" up front?

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#87
post #41

I’m still waiting for a way to run my own apps on my own devices that doesn’t require re-signing them every week.

I'm still waiting for a toggle that lets me turn off mandatory notarization checking. And a way to tap on a .ipa file in the file browser and just being able to install it.

oh and a way to do all this without paying rent money to apple...

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same for iPad, not defined as general purpose, no complaints about unaffordavle devkits (xcode is free), tons of indie apps.

Xcode is free but a developer account isn't (nor is an Xbox Dev account either for that matter)

You can sideload apps with a free account, but only 3 signed at once and for a max of 7 days. There are also some entitlements you can’t use.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #76

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So if I tell a user a workaround for a software issue, and they turn round and accuse me of telling them they are using the software wrong I have to agree with them?

A workaround is literally "a way to avoid triggering a bug". So if it's a workaround, then you're admitting it's a bug. So the distinction is between "We screwed up but at least you can do x to mitigate it" and "There's nothing wrong with us. It's you."

You are assuming they had done all the testing and knew the full extent of the issue. When you run in to an issue like this it could be a bad batch, a certain radio variant, firmware version, only 2G vs 3G and so on.

Nothing in the statement argues either way, it’s simply two statements- one factual and one bit of advice on how to mitigate.

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