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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by perihelions »

I found several photos and a short video of the type (?) of barium cloud experiment the article refers to,

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/90497/colorful-clou... ("Colorful Clouds Glow Over Virginia" (2017))

https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/nasa-launches-two-rockets-... ("NASA Launches Two Rockets Studying Auroras" (2019))

- "The AZURE mission is designed to make measurements of the atmospheric density and temperature with instruments on the rockets and deploying visible gas tracers, trimethyl aluminum (TMA) and a barium/strontium mixture, which ionizes when exposed to sunlight. The vapors were released over the Norwegian Sea at 71 through 150 miles altitude."

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by cedws »

WillAdams wrote: post #42
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

The thing which kills me is that I am still mystified (and outraged) by how in my lifetime we went from: - I am selling my family farm because I don't want there to be a perception of influence. to: - I am keeping all of my companies and property and will be charging the Secret Service which has the duty to protect me room and board. That said, the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous --- it's _hard_ to bring an obje…

In cutthroat capitalism, integrity goes out of the window. The last Prime Minister of the UK had ties to many dodgy organisations and was backed by oil companies. The current Prime Minister is married to a billionaire.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by sandworm101 »

WillAdams wrote: post #42
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

The thing which kills me is that I am still mystified (and outraged) by how in my lifetime we went from: - I am selling my family farm because I don't want there to be a perception of influence. to: - I am keeping all of my companies and property and will be charging the Secret Service which has the duty to protect me room and board. That said, the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous --- it's _hard_ to bring an obje…

So many preconceptions. Firstly, what exactly does "speeds with allow interstellar travel" entail? A being that was functionally immortal wouldn't care about travel times. And why assume that interstellar travel is even required? There is no solid reason why extraterrestrials need to huddle around stars. They might live in the void between stars. Heck, there could be millions of truck-sized UFOs dancing around in "our" ort cloud and we wouldn't even notice.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by Aurornis »

schiffern wrote: post #49
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

>his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft One of our known scientific facts is that we know our understanding physics is incomplete (namely, QCD and GR are incompatible), so obviously we can never put 100% confidence into Carter's negative claim. This is just Epistemology 101, and totally uncontroversial. For all people, our perceptions are influenced by what…

> One of our known scientific facts is that we know our understanding physics is incomplete (namely, QCD and GR are incompatible), so obviously we can never put 100% confidence into Carter's negative claim.

By this line of thinking we can never put “100% confidence” into anything at all.

But our understanding of physics will never be “complete”, therefore this is just a cheap argument to say we must assign every claim a non-zero chance of being true.

> This is just Epistemology 101, and totally uncontroversial.

You’re mincing claims, jumping from obscure physics to “Epistemology 101” and trying to lump it all together as “totally uncontroversial”, but it’s really just an attempt at moving the goal posts with fancy language and big words.

It doesn’t change the fact that the original claim clearly has some factual inconsistencies, such as the way the date of the encounter doesn’t even match other records of the event or even appear to be in the same season at which the event occurred, or that none of the other people present appear to have come away with similar observations.

Talking about physics and GR and QCD and Epistemology 101 doesn’t change anything. It’s just superfluous jargon.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by throwaway743 »

bluejekyll wrote: post #34
jdewerd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know, right? Of course, the American Electorate was quick to rectify its accidental moment of sanity by promptly voting him out after he installed Volcker and hiked rates to the moon (and then rewriting history to say that Carter was a bad president and Reagan tamed inflation). He was not the president we deserved, but he was the president we needed.

Who knows which single thing lost Carter the election, but the Reagan campaign appears to have back channeled with Iran to delay any hostages being released, ‘The term “October surprise” was originally used by the Reagan camp to describe its fears that Mr. Carter would manipulate the hostage crisis to effect a release just before the election. To forestall such a scenario, Mr. Casey was alleged to have met with repre…

Reagan campaign paid Iran millions to stall the release of the hostages and shortly after winning the election they were released. Pretty shitty, and treasonous imo to be using your own fellow citizens being held hostage as political leverage.

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Post by mistermann »

schiffern wrote: post #49
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

>his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft One of our known scientific facts is that we know our understanding physics is incomplete (namely, QCD and GR are incompatible), so obviously we can never put 100% confidence into Carter's negative claim. This is just Epistemology 101, and totally uncontroversial. For all people, our perceptions are influenced by what…

You will have to do much better than that.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by ganzuul »

Say it really was an alien spacecraft, then the color changes could be blue- and redshift as your technology lets you seemingly alter the order of events of an acceleration and a deceleration at a far away destination. Giving a solution to GR that would create this effect is much beyond me but I would love to investigate the implications of such a universe.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by likeabbas »

It's crazy to me how this link gets upvoted in HackerNews but not David Grursch's (former NRO/NGA Intel Officer) claims don't. He testified under oath to the Intelligence Community Inspector Generals, both Senate/House Intel Committees, and a public House Oversight Committee under oath that the USG has recovered crashed/landed non-human intelligence craft. The ICIG referred Grusch's claims to the intel committees as being "credible" and "urgent".

David Grusch is not some random whistleblower we should be ignoring. He was a GS-15 intel officer read into over 2000 special access programs. He handled the presidential daily briefing, which they do not give to just anyone. Take a look at his resume to see how highly cleared he was https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG....

And let me just clarify - this is not just one person's claims. His work in the UAP Task Force had 40 people with direct, first hand knowledge of the programs. Some of whom worked on the NHI craft. He had these people testify to the ICIG, providing documentation, imagery, and other evidence.

Listen, I know this sounds insane to most folks. The meat of his claims, beyond the craft, are that factions of the USG have *not* been properly giving congress(and even some presidents) oversight of these alleged Special Access Programs. The ICIG has most likely referred this case to the justice department, and his claims have started a congressional UAP Caucus in the house.

Take a look at this interview with Marco Rubio, the ranking member of the Senate Intel Committee, as he's talking about the 40 whistleblower's claims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hmaflNoKU

Rep Jared Moscowitz, after a SCIF meeting with the ICIG, said "Based on what we heard many of Grusch claims have merit!" https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/17458524006304566...

If you haven't watched the HOC hearing, or any of his other interviews, I highly recommend you do so. Or at the very least, read his opening statement he was giving to the HOC

* HOC opening statement https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Dave_...

* HOC hearing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSCEWo2yjds

* Initial interview with Ross Coulthart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZzDhDYMcw

* Initial article https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re...

* Interview on JRE https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm

* Interview with Tucker Carlson https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1735083523050975277...

I'm not saying the claims are true. I'm just saying, the allegations are worth investigating and should not be dismissed outright.

Edit: One final note. After Grusch's claims released, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer introduced an amendment to the NDAA 2024 titled "UAP Disclosure Act" which would've set up a presidential panel to declassify and release information that the USG has on the subject. It references the terminology "non-human intelligence" 27 times. The amendment was gutted by certain house members and unfortunately did not make it through in its initial form, but it's worth the read. https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment...

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by dahart »

schiffern wrote: post #49
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

>his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft One of our known scientific facts is that we know our understanding physics is incomplete (namely, QCD and GR are incompatible), so obviously we can never put 100% confidence into Carter's negative claim. This is just Epistemology 101, and totally uncontroversial. For all people, our perceptions are influenced by what…

Who made any end of history or knowledge pronouncements? Where did you read any claims that express 100% confidence? Your argument about what native people saw most strongly supports the idea that we should assume UFOs are natural or human-created, and not fantastical beings from another planet. You’ve brought support for what Carter said, not debate. It wasn’t a “claim”, BTW, it was a third-hand account of an opinion that appears to allow for uncertainty.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by vidarh »

andsoitis wrote: post #72
ak_111 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To blow your mind even further he also wrote an entire book accusing Israel of Apartheid, which is an even more stunningly clear-headed claim for a US president to make.

> accusing Israel of Apartheid, which is an even more stunningly clear-headed claim for a US president to make. Carter explained that he is not using the word to describe racism, but the desire to acquire, occupy, confiscate and then to colonize Palestinian land. Source: https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2008/january/cartervisit.html The problem is that that is not apartheid. Apartheid “separateness” is explicitly a racis…

South Africa very much used townships and bantustans as a means of pushing both black South Africans and Namibians off land they wanted for whites. Yes, it is explicitly a racist ideology, but part of that racism is used to justify a treatment of others that enables confiscation and colonization.
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