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A TikTok ban would deal a blow to creators, businesses and the American economy
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#82This is a great operation, hahaha. US politicians are using their political power to try to buy a tech company. It's like China! Pretty good, pretty good!
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why have all the TikTok competitors launched by US social media companies been total flops, then?
Because TikTok has other goals than capitalistic, and other measures of success. It is a media company that parrots a China's Communist Party line and by virtue of that, receives monopoly benefits in China, which is a substantial market. The company which owns TikTok, ByteDance, has had employees speak about this. The VP and ByteDance's internal CPP committee secretary has stated that their intent is for ByteDance to…
This just sounds like a bunch of excuses for supporting a protectionist set of policies.
Re: A TikTok ban would deal a blow to creators, businesses and the American economy
#84Maybe accelerationists want people glued even more to their devices.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
They certainly won't disappear overnight. In fact, they will be very, very upset with those that took their platform away. Millions of upset people, and, if you're worried about the CCP, well, they'll have plenty of time to tell those millions of very upset people anything they'd like. So really on either end of this, well, you have potentially bad outcomes. What's worse, people watching cat dance videos, or, people…
Is your argument that we shouldn’t ban TikTok because the CCP can manipulate upset users? Isn’t that one of the reasons we’re banning it in the first place?
There is such a thing as "too late".
For example, consider Brexit from the perspective or a remainer. It's quite reasonable to believe that the leave referendum would have failed if it wasn't done at a time when (sometimes a bit vague) frustration at the EU has escalated to the point that it had. It's not always "better late than never".
For a less political example, health interventions can be too late and not better late than never. Some cancer care that is long overdue is better to forego. The patient would suffer less and overall have a better quality of their remaining life with palliative care.
Business also follows this rule sometimes. If the right decision isn't made in time, it can later become throwing good money after bad and it's better to weather the consequences of the decision that wasn't made in time.
This is also explored in broken power laws. What is a good idea up to a certain point can turn into a bad idea very suddenly afterwards.
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#86This almost sounds like a paid article by TikTok. TikTok has also “weaponized” their users to spam senators and house reps [1] [1] https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/7/24093308/tiktok-congress-b... TikTok is a scummy business
It's a wonder TikTok is still a thing in the US.
Something must be really really wrong.
Re: A TikTok ban would deal a blow to creators, businesses and the American economy
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because TikTok has other goals than capitalistic, and other measures of success. It is a media company that parrots a China's Communist Party line and by virtue of that, receives monopoly benefits in China, which is a substantial market. The company which owns TikTok, ByteDance, has had employees speak about this. The VP and ByteDance's internal CPP committee secretary has stated that their intent is for ByteDance to…
This just sounds like a bunch of excuses for supporting a protectionist set of policies.
Well, I can't make it sound differently for you.
But do you have any counter-arguments? Like any claim that ByteDance isn't receiving existentially important benefits by being in CCP's good graces? Or does it just sound a certain way without much grounding in facts?
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#88Let me rephrase this as what will probably happen: the TikTok ban will be barely felt and will likely add to the American Economy as competitors that aren't tied to China appear. And if TikTok can't be perfectly emulated, it will actually increase the productivity of Americans who are now being held captive by a foreign-controlled algorithm which is fine-tuned to exploit physiological weaknesses.
> the TikTok ban will be barely felt Banning TikTok will cause an entire generation of Americans to lose all trust in their institutions. Whatever vanishingly small influence China may or may not have through TikTok---still completely unproven innuendo---pales compared to the absolute public relations coup that would win were it banned. If you think cynicism is bad now, there will be zero trust in the democratic proc…
You're way overdramatizing this. Tiktok has already been banned in several countries (like India) for similar reasons and without any of the catastrophe you're suggesting.
People can and will switch platforms, it's not that big of a deal...
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#89Do they think TikTok's user base will disappear overnight? There are a thousand competitors out there, and one of them will fill the gap. There may be a temporary disruption, sure, but that is still better than having a key chunk of the American economy (and young American eyeballs) directly controlled by the CCP.
TikTok has one of the lowest bars to monetization out of all the major social media networks. There is a large amount of creators on the platform that live off their content and eCommerce enabled through the platform. So it disappearing overnight would severely impact people who have a majority of their livelihood through the app. Facebook. Twitter. YouTube. They all have short form video, but TikTok has a lot of fea…
I’m sorry but the livelihood of a healthy democracy is more important than the livelihood of a bunch of influencers.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the TikTok ban will be barely felt Banning TikTok will cause an entire generation of Americans to lose all trust in their institutions. Whatever vanishingly small influence China may or may not have through TikTok---still completely unproven innuendo---pales compared to the absolute public relations coup that would win were it banned. If you think cynicism is bad now, there will be zero trust in the democratic proc…
You're way overdramatizing this. Tiktok has already been banned in several countries (like India) for similar reasons and without any of the catastrophe you're suggesting. People can and will switch platforms, it's not that big of a deal...
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