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Re: The forgotten war on beepers

#81

I went to high school in the early 90’s. Every kid I knew with a pager (about 5) used it primarily to buy or sell pot.

Yeah, initially they were associated with drug dealer types. Eventually in my group everyone had one so our parents could get in touch with us. The beep had a certain cadence when it started and even now when I hear it I get fun flashbacks to being a teen.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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I don't know what it is in US culture and society that makes it so hostile towards anyone and anything even vaguely suspected of a crime, but this sort of thing is shockingly common, even when dealing with children. Here's another case I encountered a few weeks ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Brown_case – there are so many things wrong with the entire thing, starting with charging an 11-year old as an adult…

Because it shows no remorse. The reason for reduced sentences for juvenile offenders is the idea that they ‘didn’t know any better’. That they can learn and grow and NOT be a menace to society soon. If they still refuse to take any ownership or show any contrition even after being clearly shown something was a major problem (hence the court case), then why reduce the penalty? Who would it be helping, exactly?

Remorse for what? Something he didn't do? There is nothing to be remorseful about. This is the sort of non-logic where you're presumed guilty and/or punished for asserting your innocence. Aside from the obvious absurdness of it, it's also literally unconstitutional as it violates your 5th amendment rights, which is why another judge reversed the decision later on. And considering all of this is about an 11-year old makes it that much worse.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what it is in US culture and society that makes it so hostile towards anyone and anything even vaguely suspected of a crime, but this sort of thing is shockingly common, even when dealing with children. Here's another case I encountered a few weeks ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Brown_case – there are so many things wrong with the entire thing, starting with charging an 11-year old as an adult…

Because it shows no remorse. The reason for reduced sentences for juvenile offenders is the idea that they ‘didn’t know any better’. That they can learn and grow and NOT be a menace to society soon. If they still refuse to take any ownership or show any contrition even after being clearly shown something was a major problem (hence the court case), then why reduce the penalty? Who would it be helping, exactly?

So you want them to lie? My dad was like that. I admitted to several things I didn't do in order to reduce the amount of caning.

This led to a funny incident at school. Somebody did something, and another grassed. The bully came to question me - I had no memory of telling on him, but the way he described the comments, I though oh that does sound like something I'd say. I took the beating. Then the actual grass came up and asked me why did I admit something I hadn't done?

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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When I was a teenager in the 90s, playing in bands before I got into tech, I knew a slightly older girl who worked as a model. She had a beeper for go-sees that always made plans difficult. In hindsight I may have been very naive, but sometimes I'm still grateful she allowed me my innocence.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

#87

Forget the beeper. The idea of arresting a child at school for anything (short of maybe violent assault) seems to be madness.

I'm ok with arresting someone who brings a gun or fentanyl, if that means we get them before they can kill someone.

What about shooting a kid for having a water gun?

Edit: fuck me, I was half joking and thought I'd check anyway. What a shit show. Latest case was 5 days ago. https://www.google.com/search?q=American+police+shoot+kid+wi...

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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> confiscated and held until the end of the school year. How things like that were even remotely legal?

Children don't really have property rights, and even if they did, courts have consistently ruled that the bill of rights is reduced in school settings.

Yes, children have property rights. If there is a homeless 14 year old on the street, I can't just go up and steal his bike.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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I don't know what it is in US culture and society that makes it so hostile towards anyone and anything even vaguely suspected of a crime, but this sort of thing is shockingly common, even when dealing with children. Here's another case I encountered a few weeks ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Brown_case – there are so many things wrong with the entire thing, starting with charging an 11-year old as an adult…

> in US culture and society that makes it so hostile towards As far as schools go, zero tolerance policies have been put in place. The concept of zero tolerance is something that just makes no sense to me. Not every thing that happens in a school needs police involvement, but because the rules/laws that have been put in place removes common sense and power from principals so that everything is now a police matter. Le…

> removes common sense

This happened about 5 miles from where I grew up: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/7-year-old-suspende...

In the 80s, kids would have bows or hunting rifles in the car or truck in the school parking lot. Now eating your pastry the wrong way gets you sent home.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

#90

Beepers with text were peak technology.

Literal beepers were still in use as late as 2012 as backups for on call people, enough so that we supported them at PagerDuty for redundancy (the API was email->provider->beeper)

https://www.pagerduty.com/blog/short-emails-for-your-pager/

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