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Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by romafirst3 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #58
negamax wrote: post #41

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Have you heard of HAP? Please read up on it. It's budget and impact on the everyday person. It's a roundabout way to giving free housing to people who don't work by taking money from people who do. End result is a broken and inflated marketplace

Sure. But speaking as an American, our housing market is plenty inflated and absolutely ridiculous, and we do everything just about short of shooting the homeless on sight here. So giving people places to live I don't think is the direct correlation to an inflated market that you think it is. And like, to be totally honest and pinko commie scum of me, I am completely fine with being slightly less well off if it means…

I totally agree on principle but for those who are stuck in a transactional mindset (conservative/libertarian etc) I would argue that paying for housing and welfare for poor people is just good business sense. Crime is incredibly expensive and when pushed to the edge people disconnected from society are more likely to both need to perform crime to survive but also have nothing to lose from performing criminal acts. If you take care of people's basic needs with a safety net you actually enable them to contribute to society (economically and culturally) and it is a couple of order of magnitudes cheaper than criminalizing them. And guess what, people still desire to earn more money, so they still have plenty of drive to better themselves, they just aren't completely fucked if they fall on hard times.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by romafirst3 »

negamax wrote: post #51
circlefavshape wrote: post #26

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How has the state destroyed itself? Most of the debt is from the bank bailouts during the 2008 financial crisis (debt quadrupled between 2007 and 2013) > Government is giving free houses, money to people who don't work [...] and people make a lifestyle out of living on welfare forever This is just the usual blah blah moaning about welfare states in general. What do you mean by "unlimited dole"?

Unlimited weekly money of €250 for people who don't work. This isn't a small amount. Specially on top of free housing by schemes like HAP. That can give as much as €2000/month in rent End result is a destroyed housing market and young people who rather get trapped into welfare

there is no welfare trap.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by [deleted] »

romafirst3 wrote: post #79
Fraterkes wrote: post #77

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If you're not going to be charitable and try to adress what the comment you're replying to is actually talking about, why talk at all?

The article title is just a hyperbolic statement about something. Blocking the path to a family is just another hyperbolic statement that is patently untrue. But in all seriousness in response to your question, why respond at all, the answer I would argue is it is super important to respond. If you don't respond you leave exaggerated statements unchallenged and then people just ingest them without using any critical…

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Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

romafirst3 wrote: post #81
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. But speaking as an American, our housing market is plenty inflated and absolutely ridiculous, and we do everything just about short of shooting the homeless on sight here. So giving people places to live I don't think is the direct correlation to an inflated market that you think it is. And like, to be totally honest and pinko commie scum of me, I am completely fine with being slightly less well off if it means…

I totally agree on principle but for those who are stuck in a transactional mindset (conservative/libertarian etc) I would argue that paying for housing and welfare for poor people is just good business sense. Crime is incredibly expensive and when pushed to the edge people disconnected from society are more likely to both need to perform crime to survive but also have nothing to lose from performing criminal acts. I…

Oh yeah, this has been understood logic for like... ever. I felt this way even back when I self-identified as a libertarian. Now as a lefty I feel similarly.

But people in the states especially and even in parts of Europe are so hard up on this notion that the criminals are just criminals from birth, barely even human, just waiting for some way to exploit larger society or worse, them personally, somehow to "steal" their way to "the easy life" and it's just so detached from reality. Are there people who are just remorseless psychopaths ready to harm anyone at a moments notice for their own gain? Yeah, sure are, most of them end up being cops. The rest are people who are given few if any options to get by, and if crime is your only option to getting a meal, of course you're going to commit a fucking crime. It's like these people expect the homeless to just lie down and await death instead of stealing food.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by bilekas »

OJFord wrote: post #46
bilekas wrote: post #12

Having left Ireland over two years ago I can say that the quality of life is simply awful there compared to many other European locations. I love my country and I was paid exceptionally but at every turn there is an extra overhead or increase in price accomodation is simply disgusting in Dublin, the weather is laughed about being a factor but when you're stuck indoors 80% of the year it has a big effect on your menta…

> Add to that the real growing problem of petty and violent crime in the city. No kidding, I couldn't get my head around the recentish riots at all - child killed; immigrant comes to others' aid; everyone starts rioting; supposedly anti-immigrant, but involves mainly attacking police and burning public infrastructure... Not that I'd support that kind of political action anyway, but at least make some kind of sense, d…

> No kidding, I couldn't get my head around the recentish riots at all - child killed; immigrant comes to others' aid; everyone starts rioting; supposedly anti-immigrant, but involves mainly attacking police and burning public infrastructure...

Great example, that was a really embarrassing moment for me to see.

The riots were just a reason for the scum to act out and do whatever they wanted, under the guise of something reasonable. Gaslighting on a physical scale.

Really good example of how the country overall has changed for the worse.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by Fraterkes »

romafirst3 wrote: post #79
Fraterkes wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're not going to be charitable and try to adress what the comment you're replying to is actually talking about, why talk at all?

The article title is just a hyperbolic statement about something. Blocking the path to a family is just another hyperbolic statement that is patently untrue. But in all seriousness in response to your question, why respond at all, the answer I would argue is it is super important to respond. If you don't respond you leave exaggerated statements unchallenged and then people just ingest them without using any critical…

Not to be unkind, but that is a very high-minded justification for what was essentially a one-line joke comment.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by romafirst3 »

Fraterkes wrote: post #86
romafirst3 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article title is just a hyperbolic statement about something. Blocking the path to a family is just another hyperbolic statement that is patently untrue. But in all seriousness in response to your question, why respond at all, the answer I would argue is it is super important to respond. If you don't respond you leave exaggerated statements unchallenged and then people just ingest them without using any critical…

Not to be unkind, but that is a very high-minded justification for what was essentially a one-line joke comment.

Comedy in the service of a strong argument is twice as funny.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by piva00 »

negamax wrote: post #16
piva00 wrote: post #13

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Any sources for Ireland's government giving free houses?

By law all new developments are required to have 20% social housing. And google search will show you the extent of corruption and free money that goes hand in hand source: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/law-change-to-make-... Also city councils run a large stock of social housing where tenants pay nothing and live for generations

Ok, so not really free housing.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by Fraterkes »

romafirst3 wrote: post #87
Fraterkes wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be unkind, but that is a very high-minded justification for what was essentially a one-line joke comment.

Comedy in the service of a strong argument is twice as funny.

Tell me then, funny man: what's two times zero?

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by romafirst3 »

Fraterkes wrote: post #89
romafirst3 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comedy in the service of a strong argument is twice as funny.

Tell me then, funny man: what's two times zero?

You asked me why I insisted on responding, I told you why I responded. To not allow exaggerated nonsense to just exist unchallenged.

I used humor in my response. My use of a joke highlighted the absurdity and overblown nature of the original commenters statement and made a reader think exactly what does someone mean by "path to having a family". In actual fact, other people on this page are claiming it's too easy to have a family in Ireland what with all the free housing and welfare. So I'm pointing out the absurdity of the position, especially when it's just blasted out as fact without anything to back it up.

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