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Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by RajT88 »

ben_jones wrote: post #77
leetharris wrote: post #61

Why don't people just pay the $10/month if you consume enough for ads to annoy you? I really don't get the extreme amount of effort people put into adblocking for services that have a paid alternative. People have this expectation of all these internet services being free which is wild to me. It costs an enormous amount of bandwidth to run Twitch. It is still not profitable because it's such a hard business model to…

Because eventually premium users will get ads too as we are seeing with many other streaming services. First it’s pay, no ads. Then it’s higher tier for no ads. Then it’s higher tier no ads but watch a trailer at the beginning. Then it’s higher tier and ads.

/\----- This.

Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by hkwerf »

ben_jones wrote: post #77
leetharris wrote: post #61

Why don't people just pay the $10/month if you consume enough for ads to annoy you? I really don't get the extreme amount of effort people put into adblocking for services that have a paid alternative. People have this expectation of all these internet services being free which is wild to me. It costs an enormous amount of bandwidth to run Twitch. It is still not profitable because it's such a hard business model to…

Because eventually premium users will get ads too as we are seeing with many other streaming services. First it’s pay, no ads. Then it’s higher tier for no ads. Then it’s higher tier no ads but watch a trailer at the beginning. Then it’s higher tier and ads.

That's exactly what keeps me from even considering many subscriptions. As long as they're not clearly ad-free I don not care to even try them to check whether they are.

I'll happily pay for things like LWN, though, even though I'd get everything ad-free two weeks later anyhow.

Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by kaslai »

internet101010 wrote: post #55
jsheard wrote: post #2

It's incredible how much effort Twitch puts into bypassing adblockers, compared to how little effort they put into actually selling ad space. At any given time they have maybe 2 or 3 different ads in rotation, and they often resort to running ads for other Amazon services because they don't have enough real ad sales to fill the ad breaks. There was a months-long period where 95% of the ads I saw were one of two diffe…

It's incredible how many Twitch viewers don't even know that Twitch Turbo exists, and that Twitch itself has done an terrible job of promoting it. Twitch is impossible to watch with ads.

I got ad-free Twitch years ago with Twitch Prime. And then they added ads back in for Prime users. How long will it be until they start adding ads back in for Turbo users?

Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by pm215 »

jorams wrote: post #76
pm215 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that might depend somewhat on what the stream is. For instance I watch quite a bit of Zelda Ocarina of Time Randomizer race restreams on Twitch. For those it is much much better to have some up-front ads when I join the stream, which is almost always during the "stream starts in 15 minutes" countdown, rather than to have ads appear mid-race. I don't know how much control the streamer has over this kind of thi…

> I don't know how much control the streamer has over this kind of thing, though. Quite a bit. As long as the streamer is running 3 minutes of ads per hour there will not be prerolls. Ad breaks can be run manually or on a configurable schedule, and scheduled ad breaks can be snoozed for 5 minutes (up to 3 times I think) if they arrive at a bad time. You can't stack preroll free-time for more than an hour though, so y…

Mmm. I think for the channels I watch for these races they pick the "preroll" option and are right to do so, because 3 mins of ads an hour would be pretty obnoxious in a 2.5h race. (For the random-settings races which can go 4 or 6 hours if the randomizer picks silly settings, there are scheduled breaks every 2 hours, which provides a point to run ads. But normal races run right through without breaks.)

I watch mostly through the Android cast-to-Chromecast client though, which might be a bit of a special case -- until very recently it didn't show ads at all, which was presumably a silly oversight on Twitch's part...

Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by koube »

ben_jones wrote: post #77
leetharris wrote: post #61

Why don't people just pay the $10/month if you consume enough for ads to annoy you? I really don't get the extreme amount of effort people put into adblocking for services that have a paid alternative. People have this expectation of all these internet services being free which is wild to me. It costs an enormous amount of bandwidth to run Twitch. It is still not profitable because it's such a hard business model to…

Because eventually premium users will get ads too as we are seeing with many other streaming services. First it’s pay, no ads. Then it’s higher tier for no ads. Then it’s higher tier no ads but watch a trailer at the beginning. Then it’s higher tier and ads.

You're refusing to pay for a product today based on what they might do in the future? Does the future possibility degrade today's product? Can't you just cancel your subscription if ads start showing up?

Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by cortesoft »

krageon wrote: post #70
leetharris wrote: post #61

Why don't people just pay the $10/month if you consume enough for ads to annoy you? I really don't get the extreme amount of effort people put into adblocking for services that have a paid alternative. People have this expectation of all these internet services being free which is wild to me. It costs an enormous amount of bandwidth to run Twitch. It is still not profitable because it's such a hard business model to…

I'd pay a fifth of that, maybe . That's what it's worth to me.

If it's not worth the cost, shouldn't you not be using it then?

Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by seanvelasco »

leetharris wrote: post #61

Why don't people just pay the $10/month if you consume enough for ads to annoy you? I really don't get the extreme amount of effort people put into adblocking for services that have a paid alternative. People have this expectation of all these internet services being free which is wild to me. It costs an enormous amount of bandwidth to run Twitch. It is still not profitable because it's such a hard business model to…

for developing countries where the minimum wage is $10 per day (not hour), $11.99 each month is simply too expensive - money that could otherwise be spent on services that offer more than simply being ad-free. if it's $1 or $3 per month, that'd be reasonable.

if the ad-free subscription is bundled with Prime, def worth it.

Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by carlosjobim »

krageon wrote: post #70
leetharris wrote: post #61

Why don't people just pay the $10/month if you consume enough for ads to annoy you? I really don't get the extreme amount of effort people put into adblocking for services that have a paid alternative. People have this expectation of all these internet services being free which is wild to me. It costs an enormous amount of bandwidth to run Twitch. It is still not profitable because it's such a hard business model to…

I'd pay a fifth of that, maybe . That's what it's worth to me.

Then your time is not worth much.

Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by aendruk »

hkwerf wrote: post #78
TechSquidTV wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you do not use the service, as that is the terms of the agreement.

Is it? Maybe twitch could make the terms more easier to understand. As it stands, it's a wall of text, almost nobody will consider. At first glance, I don't see any clause similar to what you suggest.

It’s clearly the intended exchange. It doesn’t have to be literally in the legal “terms” to affect your assessment of fairness.

I don’t tolerate ads; I don’t choose ad-supported services.

Re: TwitchAdSolutions – Blocking Twitch Ads

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Post by jpalawaga »

nerdjon wrote: post #57
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #3

I hate how Twitch puts over a minute of pre-roll ads before you can start watching a stream. They should at least wait 60 seconds, I can't imagine how many people have chosen not to catch a new stream because they'd immediately have to sit through over a minute of ads before even getting to any content.

As a viewer I disagree, I would much rather sit and wait 60 seconds in the beginning than to start watching something just for my stream to randomly be stopped for an ad. Since it's live, it isn't like the video will just pick back up where you were. I realize ads could still play during, but if we could make it only in the beginning (or the streamer could say, I am taking a break and trigger an ad, that would be bet…

streamers, at least ones who are affiliate, do that. They often time their own breaks with ad breaks so that viewers don't miss content.

if you have someone you WANT to watch, 60s isn't a big deal at the beginning. If you're a new viewer and the first thing you see when you visit a stream is 60s for ads, when you don't even know if you'd like the streamer, your bounce rate is going to be very high. It really limits discoverability.

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